What if..Burdick had classified T206's with respect to their individual 15 T-brands ?

tiger8mush · #1 02-22-2010, 03:02 PM

How about:

T206-1 = 150 Series
T206-2 = 350 Series
T206-3 = 460 Series
T206-4 = 68 Series (Coupon)

Everyone else was throwing out options, so i figured I would too

caramelcard · #2 02-22-2010, 03:20 PM

We've discussed this idea many times on this board.

I really think that if Burdick thought about it, he decided against it because so many collectors at the time (and now) were collecting a player set.

If it were changed, we would still have to call the player set something.

Rob

E93 · #3 02-22-2010, 03:48 PM

To a certain degree Burdwick's decision to consider it as one set accords with that of the issuer, ATC. After all, when they added new cards (fronts), they changed the backs to indicate that the set as a whole had grown. In fact, there are nowhere near 460 subjects in the "460 series", but that is close to the number of total subjects in the T206 set including those issued in the 150 and 350 series (I realize none of those numbers were perfectly accurate). So, perhaps Burdwick's intuition was correct in designating all cards with similar looking fronts issued between 1909-11 by the ATC via its tobacco brands to be "T206s". That seems to have been the thinking of the ATC, that it was one massive set of baseball subjects used to advertise the whole host of their tobacco brands of the period.

JimB

P.S. Similar questions could be asked about N172. In that case, one could make more compelling arguments for multiple different sets on a number of grounds.

tedzan · #4 02-22-2010, 04:06 PM

My understanding of the 150--350--460 series is that these numbers represented a "ballpark" number of cummulative Subjects.

That is......

1st Series.....150 Subjects......actually 156 cards

2nd Series.....350 Subjects......actually 208 cards.....(totals approx. 350)

3rd Series......460 Subjects......actually 109 cards.....(totals approx. 460)

TED Z

E93 · #5 02-22-2010, 04:15 PM

Ted,
Thank you for the exact counts. I knew somebody would come through with those and had a suspicion it would be you.

JimB

drdduet · #6 02-22-2010, 05:50 PM

"Everyone else was throwing out options, so i figured I would too"

Hi Rob, interestingly enough the Coupon Type 1 (68) is made up of 42 350 only subjects, the 6 superprints, and the 20 Southern Association Southern Leaguers.

toppcat · #7 02-22-2010, 06:23 PM

I've always thought that the closer to a source information is accrued, then generally the more reliable the information. I feel this way about Burdick and the ACC and especially how he grouped cards (yes, I realize some are incorrectly assigned). I have always thought he grouped T206 together as they shared a concerted marketing campaign from a parent apparatus and the same with T213 but of course there is no definitive proof of this. The fact that the Coupons are primarily viewed as Louisiana sets is revealing and likely reflects information accrued by early collectors as to what was to be grouped with what is an argument against their inclusion in the T206 universe.

Having said that, there is a lot of merit in the argument T213-1 could be reclassified as T206 with the biggest obstacle to my mind being the paper stock. But if you can get past that you could also argue types 2 and 3 belong with T206 as well as it is not unheard of for changes to occur from one series to the next and still have cards be considered part of the same set. I can cite 55 Bowman Baseball, 62 Topps Baseball and 69 Topps Football as modern examples where an obvious design change occurred from series to series and there are many sets or groupings where fonts and/or paper stock change from one series to the next. And who is to say what was planned for the ACC baseball series, both front and back-wise had the breakup and then the war not occurred?

Of course the post ACC breakup blue captioned Coupons further complicate the argument!

Personally, I consider the T213-1's are part of the Coupon universe but there is enough of an argument already in place that if further connections can be revealed a reconsideration would be in order.

Your experience may vary.....

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