T206 Coupon type 1 scarcity level?

[barrysloate]

Well of course if they were part of T206 the number of collectors going after them would increase exponentially. But only back collectors would care, because there are no unique fronts that couldn't be found with easier backs.

[tedzan]

I completely agree with Darren. It appears that both of us feel that the 1910 COUPON (T213-1) cards deserve
a scarce ranking higher than others here. As, I already have posted that these cards rank between DRUM and
UZIT....numerically, a 5.5 on the list.

Look guys, in recent years there have been several finds of DRUM, UZIT and Red HINDU cards. How many 1910
COUPON finds do you guys know of ?

I know of only one find of 1910 COUPON's, and that was many years ago.


TED Z

[barrysloate]

Ted- you certainly may be correct. Drum, Uzit, and Red Hindu are in great demand whenever one comes up for sale. There just isn't as much interest in Coupon, so maybe I am underestimating its difficulty.

[tedzan]

Darren succintly makes a great point regarding these cards......

" How tough would they today be if they had been considered a T206 back type all long?
My estimation that it would probably be in the top 5 of "toughness". "


The demand for these COUPON cards is no where near the demand for BL 460, DRUM, Red HINDU, LENOX, etc.,
simply because they are not classified as "T206's".

Had Burdick included them in the T206 family, I have no doubt that they would be in higher demand. However,
now they are basically a regional issue that does not garner the interest that T206's do.

Consider this, most serious T206 collectors strive to acquire the basic 15 T-brand backs (if not all 35-38 backs).
And, there are 1000's of T206 collectors out there in the hobby, of which many would at least seek out a type
card of a 1910 Coupon....had it been part of the mystique that is a T206.


TED Z

[barrysloate]

Ted- agreed!

[ctownboy]

To all,

To play Devil's advocate here, couldn't it be argued that if Burdick designated Coupons as T 206's that MORE of them would have survived to this day and that they wouldn't be so rare?

I mean, as it stands now, it seems, Coupons are mostly a regional issue that is mostly only collected by people in that area of the country. Leon just said he only has two Type 1's in his collection. As a small fish in this big pond, I have a Type 1 Engle and a Type 2 Needham and that is it as far as Coupons go in my collection (compared to 19 T 206's). So, it seems most collectors only have a few Coupons in their respective collections and that is as a type card.

After Hurricane Katrina, I read (probably on this board) that a big time Louisiana collector lost most or all of his collection to the storm and flood waters. Now, if Coupons had been designated T206's a long time ago, I am sure some of those cards would have been dispersed around the country (as would have other now lost cards) so that when tropical storms and hurricanes hit the Gulf Coast, not as many cards would have been concentrated in that geographical area and thus not as many would have been lost or destroyed.

With more of a dispersement and more known to exist, we would have a better idea as to how rare they really are. As it stands now, we can only guess. Which means these cards are going to be considered rare until a collector or two decides to auction off their hidden cards and they become more plentiful to the general collecting public. Or, on the flip side, another natural disaster or two hits that area and wipes out more cards and they become even more rare.

Just my thoughts,

David

[barrysloate]

Weren't many of the tougher T206 brands regional too? Weren't Drums mostly found in St. Louis? The fact that Coupons were regional still isn't a deal breaker for me.

[DixieBaseball]

I know we have discussed it before, but are there any theories on Coupon's card stock being so thin ? Isn't this the only real reason we all speculate it is not a T206 brand ? Same year, same look on front and backs, same everything with one exception : Ultra thin card stock. I know we have discussed before, but I can't make any sense of the thin card stock and not sure there is any research to tell us why either... Speculating, would it be a simple case of when they produced the Coupon's they had a different run of card stock or possibly was it on purpose for a particular reason, like the actual Coupon cigarette packs being a better fit for the thinner card due to a really tight pack...?? Any thoughts out there ? While you ponder(Ted), here's a "high grade" Topsy...

[barrysloate]

Jeremy- nobody knows, but it may be nothing more than the paper stock that the Louisiana factory received at the time. Maybe that quality paper was cheaper than the thicker stock. I don't think that alone would disqualify the cards from being part of T206. If that were the case, American Beauty could be kicked out for being too narrow.

[Leon]

BTW, I took that original list, at top, off of the internet. It is not my personal thoughts...but it was easy and close . I would change a few around also but it did give us something quick to go on....So, not all of the first list are places I agree with completely...but, I do think it's fairly close and made for a nice discussion so far. I have 2 type 1's in my collection. Nobody used to care much about them. My, how times have changed!!