T206 Coupon type 1 scarcity level?

[tedzan]

I would rank the 1910 COUPON cards between DRUM and UZIT (or numerically 5.5) on your list.

There are many reasons for my higher ranking than others who have posted here.
Three reasons are......

In my 33 years (as an adult) in this hobby, I know of only one complete set of 68 cards.

Second, if you check out SGC's Registry, there is only one partial set (of 40) cards in it.

Furthermore, there have been several finds of DRUM, UZIT and Red HINDU cards. I know
of only one find of 1910 COUPON's.


TED Z

[rhettyeakley]

I agree w/ Scott's observation. Between 8-12.

[sb1]

We happen to have two in the upcoming auction. Time will tell how they shake out.

Scott

[caramelcard]

I agree with Scott as well.

I think tougher than broadleaf 350, but not tougher than lenox.

Type 1s are tough because of the thin stock, because collections have likely been lost in floods, hurricanes, etc. but also because Louisiana tobacco set collectors tend to keep to themselves.


Ted,

There are certain cards in the t213-1 set that are much "easier" to find than others.

I completely agree that complete sets would are very hard to come by.

That being said, I know of two complete sets in the hands of two different private collectors. One who is extremely close to all three coupon sets.


Rob

[caramelcard]

Off point, but looking at that list I don't agree with a lot of them anyways.

On this board, we've hashed out several harder backs that aren't sexy so they're overlooked.

This one comes to mind:

23. Sweet Caporal - Series 350-460 - Factory 25 - District 2 - State VA

[drdduet]

IMO, just a bit tougher than Lenox.

[judsonhamlin]

I think around 8-9 as well. I've only got one (Howell) and i haven't seen any big groups of them for sale in a long time -going back to Lew Lipset's catalog days.

[DixieBaseball]

I would put the Type 1's in between Red Hindu's and Lenox, or possibly just after Lenox... (8-11 range) - I did a quick scan of SGC pop reports and they show 189 graded BL's and 124 Type 1 Coupons (76 Drums if your curious). I am sure there some wiggle room for error, but there is a trend from the pop report. I would be curious where PSA has their numbers pegged at to get an idea of the total # of BL's, Lenox, and Type 1's Coupon's graded. Sure, there are raw cards out there, but there is enough of a sample out there to give us indication on where Type 1's might fit in the t206 tree. I have been collecting the Type 1's for about 7 years now, and they rarely come available. They are extremely underated in my humble opinion.

[tedzan]

Sort of anecdotal, however these are the current numbers of my rare T206 back collection......

1......1910 COUPON

4......DRUM

4......UZIT

6......Red HINDU

2.....,LENOX

10....BROAD LEAF 350

12....PIEDMONT 460/42

61....AMERICAN BEAUTY 460

And, I actively seek these COUPON cards....just can't find them. Or, I am outbid when they infrequently show up.

I'm curious to see what some of you guys have ?


TED Z

[ethicsprof]

t206 coupon between 7 and 8.
i'm with Rob re: the need to look at some other rankings such as
sweet cap 350/460 fact. 25---out of 'round 530 206's i only have ONE.
anecdotal,yes---but intriguing.

best,
barry

[barrysloate]

I guess my range was a bit too liberal. While trying to complete a set would be nearly impossible, back collectors simply want one of each example. As such, I don't think getting one as a type would be that much of a challenge. But I defer to the general consensus.

[fkw]

Id rank it about 10....

But I would never consider the T213-1 a T206 because the card stock is completely different than any of the other 15-16 T206 brands, the stock is much thinner, almost a heavy paper more than cardboard.

Hope no one goes and screws with the ACC #s on it. The set needs to be a subset of T213 as it is more related to T213-2 and T213-3 than the T206 set.

Thats the way its been collected for 70+ years since the first ACC came out, no need to change it.

[tedzan]

Frank

I respect your expertise a lot; but, we've had this argument before. And, once more I have to differ with you.

The T213-1 cards resemble T206's considerably more so than they do T213-2 and T213-3. For example, the 1910 COUPON cards......

1.....Stylish back design is consistent with the T206's (AB, BL, Cycle, DRUM) that were printed and issued in the Summer/Fall of 1910.

2.....All 68 fronts are consistent with the 350 series cards issued during 1910.

3.....The captions are printed with Brown ink.


T213-2 and T213-3 characteristics that are NOT consistent with 1910 COUPON cards......

1.....They were printed with BLUE ink captions.

2.....T213-2 cards are are found with gloss on their fronts.

3.....T213-3 cards are cut narrower than the 1910 COUPON cards.

4.....Some T213-3 cards have. overprints with Factory #8 on their backs.

Sorry guy, but using the "thinner stock" argument is very weak and smells like a "Louisiana red-herring".


TED Z

[Orioles1954]

I had a one-card T213-1 "find" at a Reno, Nevada antique mall two years ago