Did anyone buy this T205 Speaker??

[batsballsbases]

Frank +Jim,
I totally agree. I see nothing wrong here either. Its yours to do what you wish with it. Sometimes threads like this should never be started. IMO

[Robextend]

I agree as well that cracking a card out of a holder with a numerical grade and selling it raw is fine in most circumstances.

What I do not like is when a card is cracked out of an "A" holder and sold without disclosure of what the issue was.

Or

When there is no disclosure of when a card with a numerical grade is submitted for crossover, but won't cross because of a trim, alteration, etc...I would hope that information is given, however most of the time it probably isn't.

[Republicaninmass]

I was going to bid, but top looks short, looks short in the old holder too

[Fred]

Nobody has to do anything if they crack a card from a holder. However, you can always take the high road and indicate the card was in a "2" holder in the past. Scans may not always show a defect that was the reason for a lower grade on a nice looking card. Again, you don't have to do this.

Just a thought - If I found out someone was buying nice looking low grade cards, cracking them and then flippig them for more money I'd be leary to buy a raw card from that person.

I guess people will do what they can do to make a buck these days...

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Fred

Nobody has to do anything if they crack a card from a holder. However, you can always take the high road and indicate the card was in a "2" holder in the past. Scans may not always show a defect that was the reason for a lower grade on a nice looking card. Again, you don't have to do this.

Just a thought - If I found out someone was buying nice looking low grade cards, cracking them and then flippig them for more money I'd be leary to buy a raw card from that person.

I guess people will do what they can do to make a buck these days...

For the record I don't remember ever cracking a graded card and selling it raw as I would just as soon leave it in the holder. That being said, if there is a large front and back scan, and any other discrepancies noted, why would you be leery? I think most of us can tell by looking at a card if we like it or not...and as long as it's not altered I don't see the reason for the skepticism, that is why I ask? Maybe I am missing something (as I often do)..Just a friendly discussion is all .......best regards

[teetwoohsix]

Everyone is making great valid points.I can't speak for Andrew,but I don't think he should be chained to the whipping post for having concerns about a card.I see threads like that all the time.
The seller has great feedback,and his post was very sincere.
So,the question seems to be-as a buyer,would you want to know if the card you were interested in buying had ever been graded,and if so,why was it cracked out of it's holder prior to being put on the market?And,what was the grade it had,graded by which TPG?

[Robextend]

I hear ya Clayton, but I don't think there was any reason to be dissapointed with the seller in this case. IMO, that information does not have to be a standard disclosure. I am sure I have bought cards I am very happy with that have been cracked out of their respective holders. Is the information nice? Sure, however it certainly isn't and should not be mandatory.

[Fred]

Not all scanners are the same...

Leon, I'm just saying if you know a flipper that buys nice looking cards in low grade holders for the sole purpose of flipping the cards out of the holder because the flipper figures people will buy the card (pay top dollar for a nice looking raw card) and not the flip number, then I would always wonder if the card the seller was getting rid of cards that fit into that categorey. To me that intent just seems a bit dishonest but hey, this is the 21st century and the sellers edict now is to make a buck where you can and who cares how you do it. Again, people can do what they want, but taking the high road these days seems pretty stupid when there's a buck at stake. Ok, if nobody agrees with me, that's fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Everyone know's about opinions: They're like a$$holes, everyone has one.... I just know how I feel.

I guess this is a good arguement for "buy the card, not the holder" and "you can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear".

[chaddurbin]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

I can't speak for Andrew,but I don't think he should be chained to the whipping post for having concerns about a card.I see threads like that all the time.

Problem is they're mostly started by the same person.

[Republicaninmass]

"This card has never been tampered with in any way and although it is not presently graded, I guarantee it (money back) to gain a numerical grade from any grading company."


Geez kinda going out on a limb here, I wonder what "guaranteed numerical grade" it would get? I guess it could be higher, unless the seller already tried.

[JeremyW]

I don't think the seller really did anything wrong here. Although, in his post he says, "(if I brought it for resale I would have kept it in the holder)" yet he fails to mention that it was previously in a holder. Like I said, no big deal either way.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

"This card has never been tampered with in any way and although it is not presently graded, I guarantee it (money back) to gain a numerical grade from any grading company."


Geez kinda going out on a limb here, I wonder what "guaranteed numerical grade" it would get? I guess it could be higher, unless the seller already tried.

Actually I have used that similar line before. If I have a card, say worth less than $50-$100, I might sell it raw and guarantee it will grade numerically. Last time I sold a card in a holder I would NOT guarantee it would grade higher, or even the same, if re-submitted. The person bought it and it got a half grade bump up. It went from a PSA 4.5 to an SGC 60. I would only guarantee a number though...not any specific grade. I also buy cards the same way.....really I don't think there is a problem with any of these scenarios, as well as I don't have any issue with this whole thread. Now, our "board" might have an issue with it, but that is it's own business..