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Old 02-10-2010, 05:05 PM
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Default If you want to go after the grading companies

There are many legitimate things to go after with the grading companies and many people they made very rich by slabbing altered material for them. why put in a b.s. chapter about two crooks again it cuts into his credibility because these 2 guys have none.
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Old 02-10-2010, 05:08 PM
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Default By the way

You have proven my point, he legitimized them in your eyes and confused you on the story. PSA and SGC did not grade the card because it was fake. DSL, Bill Mastro, Bill Goodwin, Gary Moser, Anyone who submits that card gets the exact same results period.
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Old 02-10-2010, 06:07 PM
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No, he didn't confuse me. I wasn't saying the Cobb/Edwards card was graded, only that it presented another forum in which to talk about the grading process. Grading is key to O'Keefe and Thompson's book.

My opinion on grading bears no final outcome in the discussion. I make no bones about it... I enjoyed the hobby much more before grading, and have since the late '90s taken in much less of the hobby than before. But grading is here to stay... it is a part of the hobby now. It is worth reporting on. And hopefully those who part-take in this third-party system get some reward out of it, financial or personal.
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Old 02-10-2010, 06:31 PM
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While third-party grading has its deficiencies, it is just what the doctor ordered for the Cobb-Edwards card because it establishes authenticity in the minds of most serious collectors. Thus, I agree with ctownboy. There is simply no reason why the owners don't deliver the card to PSA or SGC, invite Mr. O'Keefe and any other interested media representatives to attend, and wait patiently in the office while the card is graded. The notion that the grading company would switch out the card in the course of this process is laughable.

Also, I enjoyed O'Keefe's book immensely (as well as his remarks at our dinner last summer) but agree with those who believe the Cobb-Edwards story doesn't fit. There have been a boatload of bogus Wagners offered for sale over the years. I don't see why this one deserves any special treatment.

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Old 02-10-2010, 07:13 PM
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Posting this for Brian C....
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Old 02-10-2010, 09:57 PM
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Posting this for Brian C....
By the way, if anyone didn't already know, the picture Leon posted features (left to right): [1] a PSA graded 5(MC) Wagner; [2] the Cobb/Edwards card; and [3] the 1987 Hygrade Toy Co. reprint.

Obviously the front of 2 and 3 are the same. Likely hypothesis being it is rebacked.
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