Cobb/Edwards and the T206 Honus Wagner

[barrysloate]

Brian- A blind man in a snowstorm could see it was fake. I've been in the hobby a long time, I've owned a Wagner and seen probably a dozen real ones. That one was fake with a capital "F."

Forget about the signs that suggest it might be fake. I didn't see one thing that even suggests it might be real.

And I meant no offense to the sightless. it was just an expression.

[Brian-Chidester]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Brian- A blind man in a snowstorm could see it was fake. I've been in the hobby a long time, I've owned a Wagner and seen probably a dozen real ones. That one was fake with a capital "F."

Forget about the signs that suggest it might be fake. I didn't see one thing that even suggests it might be real.

And I meant no offense to the sightless. it was just an expression.

Barry, all due respect, I'm sure you have owned and handled many more cards of rarity and value than I have. For I am but a lowly kid from the suburbs of Philadelphia, who grew up in a row home and ridiculously got into T206 at a card show in Valley Forge in 1985 (at the ripe age of eight) when my father gave me $20 for cleaning the house up, and I bought five beater cards that day. Since that time, I've bought many T206s, and even more reprints. A kid of my means had to find some way to become more knowledgeable about the set that I loved.

As the years have gone by, disposable income has afforded me more chances to buy better cards, to be sure, so you must forgive my devilish nature, as I recieved my degree in philosophy and am a working journalist and author who can't help but stir the pot from time to time.

And while I haven't owned a T206 Wagner myself, one thing I do know is that I've seen more variations of each single T206 card than I care to count. These things rarely look the same from card to card, and that goes for the 38-40 Wagner specimens... all manner of differences pop up.

As for myself, I DO think there are some indicators that the Cobb/Edwards card might be taken more seriously, and the one is the color and printing. Yes, perhaps lithography of the early 20th century nature can be reproduced in this day and age. I have no doubt of that. However, in the mid-'80s, was there an infusion of fakes that replicated such printing qualities from 70 years prior? I'm going on the knowledge that I have of reprints, and I have never seen such a fake from the '70s or '80s.

They have done some authenticating too. I know many have passed their authenticators off as drunks or crooks, and have exonerated PSA, despite the fact that the man who graded the Gretzky Wagner admitted that he knew it was trimmed. But in this case, I'd like have just a wee bit more concise evidence than, "I know it's fake, because I know."

Not good enough for me.

[benchod]

Brian or should we call you Mr. Cobb or Mr. Edwards?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by benchod

Brian or should we call you Mr. Cobb or Mr. Edwards?

I thought the same thing but there is no way in hell they can write that well. It crossed my mind more than once.

[Brian Weisner]

Hi Jeff and Leon,
I was thinking the same thing.....

Hope you guys are well. Brian


PS Hi Barry, you are too nice....

[Brian-Chidester]

Apologize.

I didn't realize that you guys were above questioning.

[barrysloate]

Thanks Brian. I've been spending the day digging my car out of a snowstorm. We had quite a doozy today.

Brian C.- I understand you may not have handled that many T206's, but trust me when I tell you that an experienced eye would not think for a moment that that Wagner was real. Everything is wrong about it.

[Brian-Chidester]

Barry... I've handled many, many real T206s over the last 25 years, just not a real Wagner. I'm asking you and anyone else -- devoid of sarcasm, condescension and bitterness -- to please address the basics of this card. Color, design, printing, dimensions, aging.

Again, I don't really care who attacks me in whatever hauty manner chosen. If it makes some lowly person feel better, so be it.