Legendary T-206 Honus Wagner

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Leon

Doug left me a voicemail today and simply said the Wagner is being graded and they don't know what it will be yet. He said he didn't feel it was appropriate to state the grade when they don't know what it is. It's as simple as that.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

My guess, and this really is a guess as I don't know for sure, is that they were hoping to get a grade after the restoration was removed. Not all of it could be removed so it stayed in an AUT holder.

Now ya'll can continue in your "once upon a time" fairyland.....BTW, I wonder how much Jeff is paying to represent Dave? .

[Peter_Spaeth]

"Disclosure: It must be clarified that, although past restoration has been largely reversed, as described, under no circumstances would a qualified grading service or knowledgeable collector ever deem this card to be anything but a restored or altered example. In no way does our description intend to imply that this collectible should be regarded as anything but an authentic "altered" card."

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

"Disclosure: It must be clarified that, although past restoration has been largely reversed, as described, under no circumstances would a qualified grading service or knowledgeable collector ever deem this card to be anything but a restored or altered example. In no way does our description intend to imply that this collectible should be regarded as anything but an authentic "altered" card."

ok...so why quote this Peter? This was written after it was back to AUT....I guess I am missing your conspiracy theory on this one?

[three25hits]

Why on earth is everyone questioning this fine company's motivation?

[Rob D.]

Dang it, in the pool I had before 5 p.m. for the first mention of a conspiracy theory. Just missed.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Rob D.

Dang it, in the pool I had before 5 p.m. for the first mention of a conspiracy theory. Just missed.

Rob- you still win...it's only 4pm CST!@!

[Rob D.]

I entered the east coast pool.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Leon

ok...so why quote this Peter? This was written after it was back to AUT....I guess I am missing your conspiracy theory on this one?

The disclosure statement clearly suggests there would NEVER have been a reasonable hope of getting a numerical grade. Yet he (apparently) sent it in hoping for one.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The disclosure statement clearly suggests there would NEVER have been a reasonable hope of getting a numerical grade. Yet he (apparently) sent it in hoping for one.

Oh, so now you're saying that those are inconsistent assertions? Peter, give it a rest, next you're going to say that the moon is made of green cheese.

This exchange reminds me of when a woman comes home to find her husband in bed with another woman. She screams at him, "how could you do that to me!" Her husband, with the woman still on top of him says to his wife: "honey, what are you talking about? Are you going to believe me or your lying eyes?"

Seriously, have you ever seen a hobby/business where we are asked to willingly suspend disbelief so often? Where obvious lies and transparent excuses and coverups are so often thrown around with almost no concern at all?

[Bosox Blair]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The disclosure statement clearly suggests there would NEVER have been a reasonable hope of getting a numerical grade. Yet he (apparently) sent it in hoping for one.

I'm certainly not about to apologize for these guys - and I would never, ever bid in one of their auctions (and I have not), but it does seem possible that the card was sent in to be deemed authentic...probably an important factor to a bidder looking at shelling out tens of thousands of dollars - knowing it is not a fake. And along the same line, one might say they didn't want to talk about the grade until PSA officially deemed the card authentic.

Cheers,
Blair