Legendary T-206 Honus Wagner

[Matt]

The grade drops:
http://www.legendaryauctions.com/Lot...100&category=1

"Disclosure: It must be clarified that, although past restoration has been largely reversed, as described, under no circumstances would a qualified grading service or knowledgeable collector ever deem this card to be anything but a restored or altered example. In no way does our description intend to imply that this collectible should be regarded as anything but an authentic "altered" card."

[calvindog]

Gee, I thought that Doug didn't know what the grade would be? Sure sounds like it was an "Authentic" all the way through. Sure took a long time to figure out that 'grade.'

[bijoem]

I'm not directing this at Legendary.... because I am guessing this was an owner's/consignor's decision....

But - why alter a card, for a second time, to make it look like it did before it was altered the first time?

Altering a card to get it to 'look' like it did before it was altered.....
seems ironic.

[e107collector]

Even tough they are tough cards, it seems wierd that the first 4 lots in the auction are all altered in some way.

Just my opinion.

Tony

[Matt]

Originally Posted by e107collector

Even tough they are tough cards, it seems wierd that the first 4 lots in the auction are all altered in some way.

Maybe all came from the same consignor?

[Anthony S.]

This may be my favorite sentence of the year. From the item description:

"....decades’-worth of private handling – doubtless incurred during the fulfillment of the card’s role as a prized family heirloom – took a natural toll on sharply cut edges and deeply inked surfaces."

[scooter729]

Originally Posted by Anthony S.

This may be my favorite sentence of the year. From the item description:

"....decades’-worth of private handling – doubtless incurred during the fulfillment of the card’s role as a prized family heirloom – took a natural toll on sharply cut edges and deeply inked surfaces."

In some auctions, a descriptive sentence like that could add $10K to the final hammer price.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by scooter729

In some auctions, a descriptive sentence like that could add $10K to the final hammer price.

Throw in some flowery language and it might bump 50K.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by bijoem

But - why alter a card, for a second time, to make it look like it did before it was altered the first time?

I'd guess it was done to try and get it into a numbered holder.

[calvindog]

Some fraudsters are well-known for buying altered cards (or suspect memorabilia) at reduced prices with the hope that either a grader or the next sucker who buys it will believe it to be un-altered.

[bijoem]

Originally Posted by Matt

I'd guess it was done to try and get it into a numbered holder.

Can any card that was once restored, with honest disclosure, make it into a numbered holder once the restoration was removed?

I wonder what the policy of the grading companies is on that.

[teetwoohsix]

So if I understand correctly,they sent the altered/restored Wagner in to have the restoration work reversed,hoping the card would get at least some type of numerical grade,and when they sent it back in to be reviewed,it came back with the big "A" once again-please correct me if I got that wrong.
Wouldn't some collectors still want this Wagner-since it may cost less to obtain,fill the nearly "unfillable" spot in their collection,and at least know it is an "authentic" card?
I do not desire cards from the T206 set that are deemed authentic,but I may bend on this one