Carl Horner photo- ID help

[jthorn]

see the attached--a Horner Ames...

john thorn

[bmarlowe1]

Even the hairline does not match. The distance from the brow line to the center part is considerably larger for Ames than the unknown guy.

[Kawika]

Carl Horner Red Ames cabinet on eBay: http://tinyurl.com/ykhjgd5
"Only small amounts of front surface paper speck loss takes away from the overall grade." Virtually pristine, you might say. SGC is really hard on paper loss.
(Not wishing to rekindle the Ames vs. not-Ames discussion).

[thekingofclout]

You are a Man amongst men.

[Kawika]

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[thekingofclout]

Originally Posted by Kawika

Carl Horner Red Ames cabinet on eBay: http://tinyurl.com/ykhjgd5
"Only small amounts of front surface paper speck loss takes away from the overall grade." Virtually pristine, you might say. SGC is really hard on paper loss.
(Not wishing to rekindle the Ames vs. not-Ames discussion).

SGC says it's Ames.

[Kawika]

Jimmy: The eBay Horner cab of Ames is the same image as was posted earlier in this thread (posts 14 &19) in an attempt to match up with Leon's cabinet. The fact that SGC has ID'ed the New York ballplayer as Ames still doesn't prove that Leon's guy is Ames. There seems to be two distinct camps in this thread: Mark and his objective methods and everybody else who thinks it sure as hell looks like Ames. The point of me posting the eBay link was, well, I don't know what the point was, except for it was marginally relevant to the subject at hand, and now I wish I hadn't because it might beget another round of disagreement. Anyway, it would be a dandy cabinet to add to one's collection were it not for those pesky specks of paper loss.
Over and out.

[bmarlowe1]

The photo on eBay is Ames. The photo Leon inquired about is another human being - one of the at least thousands of contemporary white males who had some superficial resemblance to Ames, but on close inspection of details the differences are very clear.

[bmarlowe1]

Originally Posted by jthorn

I Still Say It's Ames......
john thorn

The photo in question (below right) was identified as boxing promoter Alec Mclean in the May 1911 issue of Baseball Magazine (below left). Thanks to Kawika for finding this.

Kawika said above, "There seems to be two distinct camps in this thread: Mark and his objective methods and everybody else who thinks it sure as hell looks like Ames."
The important point here is not about being right as to a single photo, it's about a methodology that produces accurate results vs. one that clearly does not.

[peterose4hof]

Sorry to bring this old thread back from the dead, but I was wondering what is the value of a Horner Cabinet of a relative unknown like Mr. McLean "the Boxing Promoter"?

Consequently, this thread is a fascinating read.