Who Should Be in the Hall that isn't

[Brian-Chidester]

Shoeless Joe, Domenic DiMaggio, Sherry Magee, Vada Pinson, Dave Parker, Pete Rose, Tim Raines, Tony Oliva, Bert Blyleven, Roberto Alomar, Babe Herman, Lee Smith, Lefty O'Doul, Jim Kaat, Jack Morris, Roger Maris and Maury Wills.

As for someone who should NOT be in...

Someone explain Kiki Cuyler to me. I'm not saying he definitely shouln't be, but th stats don't speak volumes to me.

Also, Bill Mazeroski and Gary Carter.

[paul]

If you're wondering about Cuyler, you should be wondering even more about Hafey.

[Brian-Chidester]

I'll have to look him up. Was just going through my 1961 Fleers this morning and reading stats, not fully comprehending Kiki Cuyler's induction, so I went and dug further on Wikipedia, SABR and Baseball-Reference. It's still not adding up, stats-wise, but with the Hall, it's not always about stats alone.

[Robextend]

Cuyler IMO is more deserving then a few others. Not being part of the era that these guys came from makes me hesistant to argue too much.

I would say the stats of Chick Hafey, Ray Schalk, and Travis Jackson make me scratch my head...

[bbcard1]

Originally Posted by Brian-Chidester

I'll have to look him up. Was just going through my 1961 Fleers this morning and reading stats, not fully comprehending Kiki Cuyler's induction, so I went and dug further on Wikipedia, SABR and Baseball-Reference. It's still not adding up, stats-wise, but with the Hall, it's not always about stats alone.

there was an interesting story going around at one time that Lloyd Waner was inducted into the HOF at least in part because his brother Paul's stats were inadvertently distributed to the old timers commitee....

[packs]

Ki Ki has a 321 career average with 2300 hits and led the league in stolen bases 4 times. Give the guy some credit.

[SteveMitchell]

A quick trip to http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...uyleki01.shtml reveals that Hazen Ki Ki Cuyler put up some outstanding career numbers, including: 2299 hits, 1305 runs, 394 doubles, 157 triples, 128 home runs, 1065 RBI, 328 stolen bases and 176 sacrifice hits on .321 career batting and .474 slugging averages.

The National Baseball Hall of Fame ought to honor the greatest of the game's all-time greats. As one of fewer than 300 players among the many thousands of athletes talented enough to claim the title of Major Leaguer, Ki Ki Cuyler stands among the greats on the basis of his considerable record.

Frankly, I used to wonder about a few of the men honored with plaques at Cooperstown, but Cuyler was never one of those. In the final analysis I think a convincing case can be made for each player in the Baseball Hall of Fame. The non-players are another matter for another time.

[Robextend]

I agree. There is no other retired player with as many at bats that have a higher career BA and is not in the Hall of Fame. Look no further than a .321 BA with over 7,000 at bats...his other stats are impressive as well.

[birdman42]

Lave Cross usually shows up in these discussions. Also agree with Cecil Travis, Joe Judge, and Gil Hodges.

Bill