1938 Goudey Proof

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by Batter67up

These type of things are the very reason people often get out of our hobby. The common theme: fake, counterfit, switched out cards. or unqualified graders or companies grading cards. Why should anyone take the risk of spending $100, $1000, or $10,000 on a card that is not real. Talk is cheap until you get burned yourself. I guess if you are filthy rich its not that big of a deal. I believe the majority of us don't fall into this group. Companies like PSA and SGA should prosecute these people to help ensure the intergrity of their industry. When we purchase over the internet it is often like flipping a coin on the validty of ther card. This was previously the case with raw cards and now this is the case with graded cards.

This particular mess isn't on PSA. It's not on SCG. Not Ebay. Not Paypal.


It falls on a company that no longer exists (GAI), the seller, and uneducated buyers. Allocate the blame in whatever proportion you'd like.

It won't stop until someone buys some of his cards and LEAVES NEGATIVE FEEDBACK! If you buy his cards, find out you've been scammed, and then leave positive feedback, you've become part of the problem.

A simple line stating "1938 Goudey cards are fake and the seller knows it!" would suffice.





Edited to add: By the way, anyone reading this thread who doesn't go all the way back, but at least to post #50, is doing themselves a disservice! BEST. THREAD. EVER.

[calvindog]

Yes, and I left two negative feedbacks for a fraudster who had an underbidder who just bids on his items and also has a fake name (yes, I checked) drive up my final price twice -- and the negative feedbacks were removed by ebay in 3 days without even telling me.

Look, as I've said repeatedly, this hobby is filled with fraud and it is presumed and shrugged off as a 'cost of doing business.' Auction companies engage in multi-million dollar obvious fraud and a majority of people on the board still defend them. Dealers at shows lie to customers' faces and we're told that we should just laugh about it and walk away.

By the way, I have now been banned by Mastro/Legendary which makes them the second set of great guys who have banned me in the past six months. So, at least I'm annoying the right people.

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Dealers at shows lie to customers' faces and we're told that we should just laugh about it and walk away.

Wasn't me that told you that! I do see a difference between a dealer who drastically overprices his cards and an auction house that shills. The former is just stupidity. The latter is fraud.

The part where he told you it was "Cobb's Rookie"? That moved him past stupidity and into fraud.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by calvindog

By the way, I have now been banned by Mastro/Legendary...

Nice that they waited until after you bought your D322 Wagner from them to do that.

[calvindog]

And tens of thousands of dollars of other cards as well. My advice to would-be consignors of valuable Cobb and Chase items in the future: you might want to try REA if you want a certain guy from NYC with apparently bigger pockets than brains to drive up the price on your cards because he won't be bidding in Mastro/Legendary/Goodwin.

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by calvindog

And tens of thousands of dollars of other cards as well. My advice to would-be consignors of valuable Cobb and Chase items in the future: you might want to try REA if you want a certain guy from NYC with apparently bigger pockets than brains to drive up the price on your cards because he won't be bidding in Mastro/Legendary/Goodwin.

Despite being blocked from bidding in their auctions, you might want to ask to see what cards they have behind their tables.

[BleedinBlue]

http://weissauctions.auctionflex.com...enum=1&lang=En

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by Jim VB

By the way, anyone reading this thread who doesn't go all the way back, but at least to post #50, is doing themselves a disservice! BEST. THREAD. EVER.

I agree. This thread was positively priceless. Thanks to those who revived the discussion about it.

Edited to add: The Andrew thread is definitely a close second, though, in my opinion

Sorry I didn't find Net54 sooner. You guys (and gals) are great.

Peace to all. Hope I didn't stir things up too much by bumping this thread back to the top.

Best Regards,

Eric