1938 Goudey Proof

[Al C.risafulli]

I'm not surprised that eBay and Paypal won't do anything about it, since the card the seller auctioned was properly described and the buyer received it and left positive feedback.

As far as PSA or SGC prosecuting, what's to prosecute? This is not the responsibility of the two grading companies that would never have graded these cards. It's the responsibility of collectors to be educated about the cards that they're buying - and it's also the responsibility of collectors to refuse to recognize the legitimacy of the grading company that slabbed this crap.

This is the "best grader in the hobby," by the way.

And if it sounds like I'm really pissed off about this, it's because I am - I collect '38 Goudey. It's my favorite set. I've devoted a good portion of my hobby time over the last 5 years learning about these cards, and trying to solve some of the set's mysteries. And there ARE mysteries, and one of them has to do specifically with "missing" cards that should have been produced - so the idea of "proof" cards is actually plausible. So when this kind of crap comes out, you bet it makes me crazy.

-Al

[teetwoohsix]

The guy selling them must be a real piece of work.You said he's been told numerous times they are fake,and any decent seller would quit selling them and thank you for pointing it out to him.
And you are right Al-he keeps on popping up with a new one,and keeps on with the "I've only seen two others....I've only seen three others...(something to that effect)"..........
So how many could he have?
What is Ebay doing about it?

[steve B]

Ok, so this is totally wrong, but I've seen it done by some of the old bicycle crowd when there's a scam afoot (Usually involving "selling" a bike that had been sold legitimately before - the scammer steals the picture and sells through a hijacked account)

What they've done is to have a second throwaway Ebay account, and two of the people bid the item up to some silly price like 2 million or so. Then they stall long enough for the bill to reach the seller for the fees. Tougher now that paypal is required, but still possible. Before the paypal only rule they'd claim they mailed payment, worked great since the scammers wanted it mailed to a different address.

And yes, it's very wrong and I wouldn't reccomend it etc......

Steve