OT: McGwire finally comes clean

#1 01-11-2010, 10:11 PM

I guess its time to buy some of his cards. May go down like the Black Sox's scandal or Rose. They seem to go down well after several decades of being honest or caught in something. Maybe a good investment even though now its is bad one. Aren't there quite a few incodences where something major in MLB occured and after a while people forget or disconclude the issue when the next big thing happens and all is better and the prices shoot back up

calvindog · #2 01-11-2010, 10:17 PM

He's a victim. He didn't take the steroids for strength purposes. God. It's his lawyers' fault.

Now when will that other ignoramus Sosa sort of confess?

Jim VB · #3 01-11-2010, 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by calvindog

He's a victim. He didn't take the steroids for strength purposes. God. It's his lawyers' fault.

Now when will that other ignoramus Sosa sort of confess?

I'm sorry. I don't understand the question.

Habla Espanol?

ctownboy · #4 01-11-2010, 11:03 PM

Rhett,

In my opinion, A Rod should have gotten MORE criticism than he did.

He signed the 10 year, $250 million dollar contract and then used steroids to improve his stats and justify that contract.

After years of being asked and ALWAYS denying using steroids, A Rod opted OUT of his contract and signed an even BIGGER one. Then and only then did he come out and say he used steroids.

Of course, he said he used them BEFORE they were banned and being tested for. So, by delaying his admission, he was able to sign a larger contract AND not get punished for prior use.

If he had been a MAN, he would have admitted his use BEFORE he opted out of his old contract. By doing that he would have been honest but probably not been able to get a bigger contract. But I guess having been already paid $200 million dollars is NOT enough to live on these days....

If I were Bud Selig, I would say enough of this crap. I would give ALL players, past and current, a one week window to confess to their sins (using steroids and PEDs). Those that did would get a free pass (if it was before the steroid testing came into use in 2004. For those who admitted to using after testing began, they would get the normal punishment).

For those who DIDN'T admit their cheating and lying (and stealing of money they probably wouldn't have gotten if they didn't chemically enhance) during this grace period, if they are found later to have used, then they automatically get banned from baseball for life and their stats removed from the books.

This means no eligibility for the Hall of Fame and no job opportunites in baseball, EVER.

If these cheaters are so much of a sociopath that they can not bring themselves to admit publicly that they lied and cheated then they do NOT deserve forgiveness or any of the benefits of being in or around Major League Baseball.

teetwoohsix · #5 01-11-2010, 11:23 PM

I think the bottom line is all of these people's names are tarnished forever,coming back years later and admitting you did them doesn't make me look at any of them in a better light.

You will still associate their accomplishments with "juice".

I agree that A-Roid seemed to skate right past it all,so to speak-yeah,he was under scrutiny for awhile,but IMO got off easy,compared to Bonds.

McGuire should have "manned-up" years ago,but only did it now that there's something in it for him-simply pathetic.

Kenny Cole · #6 01-12-2010, 12:57 AM

Let me play devil's advocate. Much as it pains me, I have to agree with Rob Neyer on this issue. If you have a chance to enhance your ability to perform your profession -- a profession which is one of the most competitive in the entire world -- and there is no specific baseball rule against doing it, I suspect that it gets done. If it is use PEDs or lose your spot (and the millions that come with having that spot), there ain't an issue about what's gonna happen. Those who think otherwise are rather detached from reality IMO.

I'm not saying that I agree with it, but I understand why it happens and am much less perturbed by it than others appear to be. I understand it was illegal, as were the greenies that Aaron, Mays, and many other icons apparently took during the 60's and 70's, but there was no baseball rule against it. In that regard, where is the horror and chagrin about the amphetamine epidemic of the 60's and 70's and the HOFers who did them? They were illegal too. Do Mays and Aaron get kicked out of the HOF because they took amphetamines for the express purpose of enhancing their performance on the field? I doubt that would be the popular sentiment.

Perhaps I'm overly cynical, but it seems pretty clear to me that people have been cheating, or attempting to cheat, pretty well since baseball (or any other sport for that matter) began. I have heard it said that if you aren't trying to cheat, you aren't trying to win. Steroids are just the most recent in the long line of efforts to use performance enhancers, and I doubt they will be the last. For those of you who want to talk about the purity of baseball during the "golden years," I suggest that baseball was no purer then -- they just cheated differently.

As for the suggestion that Selig should do anything about McGuire's confession, that simply makes me laugh. IMO. he was as complicit in creating the current situation as was McGuire, Sosa, and any other player you want to name. So were the owners. They knew and could have cared less because McGuire and Sosa were bringing fans back into the stands and everyone was making money. So were the rest of the juiced players. If the shit hadn't hit the fan, you would never have heard Selig say a word.

McGuire cheated. So did a whole bunch of players before him, including many who are now in the HOF. I'm not sure that I'd vote for McGuire for the HOF in any event, but his usage of steroids isn't the reason for that. 'Nuff said.

Kenny Cole

ctownboy · #7 01-12-2010, 01:53 AM

Mr.Cole,

The Commisioner's Office had rules against steroid and PED use as far back as 1993, the problem was the Player's Union would NOT go along with those rules. So, there was no teeth in the rules. Because of this, baseball was powerless to do anything about the cheating UNLESS they wanted a strike.

They didn't and they let it pass. It was ONLY when Congress stepped up and started talking about revoking basball's Anti-Trust exemption did the Players Union take notice and decide to start working with the Commish's Office and put some rules (with teeth) into writing.

So, there WERE people wanting to clean things up but it was the players themselves who refused to do so.

I remember some White Sox players saying they were willing to take drug tests to prove they were NOT cheating and they took heat from the Players Union and other players for doing this. The reason they stepped forward was because they didn't want to get labeled cheaters and wanted people to know they were playing by the rules and being fair about it. They wanted the fans to TRUST baseball.

slidekellyslide · #8 01-11-2010, 11:09 PM

I wonder if 100 years from now people will be collecting PED users who can't get into the Hall of Fame the same way we collect gamblers who threw World Series games?

And on another note, my wife's chances at the Hall of Fame went down the tubes today as she got her first dose of steroids.

rhettyeakley · #9 01-11-2010, 10:27 PM

I don't condone it as it is really terrible to have done them in the first place, however, at least it didn't take him 25 years to do it (a la Rose). Also, I don't think anyone gave ARod a free pass on anything as he was pretty much crucified when it came out.

I am all for people admitting when they have done something wrong, whether it is sincere or not. So, while I still don't think any more highly of McGwire now than I did before I also don't think any less of him than I did before because at least he is coming clean about it now (something not too many others have proven they are willing to do). I would like this to start a trend so that at least the record can be set straight, but I'm not holding my breath.

-Rhett

Edited to add: I never really thought much of McGwire in the first place so here I am still not thinking highly of the guy.

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