Who Should Be in the Hall that isn't

[Robextend]

Originally Posted by NYHighlanderFan

Joe Jackson (A lifetime ban expires once you're dead, right?)
Mel Harder
Bert Blyleven
Tommy John

Hey, being someone that has never heard Mel Harder's name brought up in HOF discussions before, could you explain why you think he should be in? Seems like his numbers are overall unimpressive to be considered for the HOF.

Thanks - Rob

[Buythatcard]

Gil Hodges
Roger Maris
Pete Rose

[ChiefBenderForever]

Without any question Pete Rose, and if not then many need to be removed. Which brings another question, who shouldn't be in the HOF.

Bert Blyleven, if he was on a good team would've won well over 300 games and with his strike out total shouldn't even be a discussion.

[glenv]

Lefty O'Doul

[Jacklitsch]

James McGuire
Ed Ruelbach
and
Ron Santo!!!

[Irwin Fletcher]

Tim Raines
Alan Trammell
Bert Blyleven
Pete Rose

[Chris-Counts]

I can't believe someone has a longer list than I do. Way to go Rhett!

I'm an "open the floodgates" guy when it comes to Cooperstown, so don't take my lengthy list too seriously, unless of course I get appointed to head up the Hall of Fame selection committee, then you'll need to prepare for a deluge:

Pete Rose, Joe Jackson, Tony Oliva, Minnie Minoso, Bert Blyleven, Barry Larkin, Roberto Alomar (I know he'll get in; the HOF voters just wanted to slap him around a bit in his first year), Lefty O'Doul, Tim Raines, Alan Trammell, Ron Santo, Marvin Miller, Dale Murphy, Jim Kaat, Tommy John, Jack Morris, Lee Smith, Luis Tiant, Maury Wills and my boyhood hero, Vada Pinson. If I left out anybody I think is deserving, I apologize ...

[Brian Van Horn]

Bob Johnson

[rhettyeakley]

My list is admittedly long and I'm sure I'm leaving some people off (and in no particular order)...

James Creighton (1st baseball superstar--although obviously no longevity)
Jimmy Ryan
Bill Lange (had he only played one or two more years)
Dave Orr (see Lange--but I still say Orr should be in)
Bill Dahlen
Wally Schang (how did Schalk get in over him?)
Mike Donlin
Deacon White
Tony Mullane
Jake Stenzel
Jim McCormick
Larry Doyle
George Van Haltren
Jack Stivetts
Lefty O'Doul
Carl Mays
Sherry Magee
Babe Herman
Ed McKean
Bob Caruthers
Jack Glasscock
Doc Cramer
Tip O'Neil
Pete Browning
Bobby Mathews
Dummy Hoy
Larry Corcoran
Bobby Veach
Jake Daubert
Hal Chase
Stuffy McInnis
George H. Burns
Fred Tenney


Borderline:
-Urban Shocker (b/c he died early during his career), Art Nehf & Warneke are essentially the same guy
-Wes Ferrell
-Ned Williamson
-Ezra Sutton
-Heinie Zimmerman
-Elmer Smith
-Leever & Phillippe (both are better than Willis)
-Babe Adams
-Riggs Stephenson
-Ken Williams
-Jack Fournier
-Ed Konetchy
-Joe Judge
-Charlie Grimm
-Jack Quinn
-Will White

[kmac32]

Ron Santo and Lee Smith

[calvindog]

Gil Hodges

[ethicsprof]

cravath


best,
barry

[scottglevy]

Without Question:

Gil Hodges
Pete Rose

Many others mentioned previously also should be heavily considered.

[FrankWakefield]

Ed Reulbach
George Van Haltren
and I could accept Gil Hodges

If many more than that get in, the place needs to be renamed. As a kid, I could read My Greatest Day in Baseball, and the members of the Hall of Fame were really special, dominant, great, famous baseball players. As a voting writer, I'd be ashamed of having had a hand in putting some of the inductees of the past decade in with the likes of Honus Wagner, Walter Johnson, Cy Young, Babe Ruth, Ted Williams, Stan Musial, Ty Cobb, Rogers Hornsby, Christy Mathewson, and Grover Alexander... just plain ashamed.n

[BrockJacob]

Ross Barnes deserves consideraton.

[bcbgcbrcb]

"Smokey Joe" Wood's name usually comes up in these types of discussions.

[thekingofclout]

Donnie Baseball.

[Robextend]

I am glad that I am not alone in thinking Ron Santo should be in the HOF.

Ed Mathews before him and Mike Schmidt after, he was the best 3B offensively and defensively in the NL for a good 9-10 years. His statistics do nothing to weaken his case either, really not sure why he is so overlooked.

[Brian-Chidester]

Shoeless Joe, Domenic DiMaggio, Sherry Magee, Vada Pinson, Dave Parker, Pete Rose, Tim Raines, Tony Oliva, Bert Blyleven, Roberto Alomar, Babe Herman, Lee Smith, Lefty O'Doul, Jim Kaat, Jack Morris, Roger Maris and Maury Wills.

As for someone who should NOT be in...

Someone explain Kiki Cuyler to me. I'm not saying he definitely shouln't be, but th stats don't speak volumes to me.

Also, Bill Mazeroski and Gary Carter.

[paul]

If you're wondering about Cuyler, you should be wondering even more about Hafey.

[Brian-Chidester]

I'll have to look him up. Was just going through my 1961 Fleers this morning and reading stats, not fully comprehending Kiki Cuyler's induction, so I went and dug further on Wikipedia, SABR and Baseball-Reference. It's still not adding up, stats-wise, but with the Hall, it's not always about stats alone.

[Robextend]

Cuyler IMO is more deserving then a few others. Not being part of the era that these guys came from makes me hesistant to argue too much.

I would say the stats of Chick Hafey, Ray Schalk, and Travis Jackson make me scratch my head...

[bbcard1]

Originally Posted by Brian-Chidester

I'll have to look him up. Was just going through my 1961 Fleers this morning and reading stats, not fully comprehending Kiki Cuyler's induction, so I went and dug further on Wikipedia, SABR and Baseball-Reference. It's still not adding up, stats-wise, but with the Hall, it's not always about stats alone.

there was an interesting story going around at one time that Lloyd Waner was inducted into the HOF at least in part because his brother Paul's stats were inadvertently distributed to the old timers commitee....

[birdman42]

Lave Cross usually shows up in these discussions. Also agree with Cecil Travis, Joe Judge, and Gil Hodges.

Bill

[30s_non-sport_gum]

Ron Santo !!

[teetwoohsix]

Man,you guys got 'em all!!For sure Pete Rose,also Hodges.
Frank,you are right.

[Fred]

There are a few players listed in this thread from the 19th Century but I didn't see Harry Stovey or Bobby Mathews mentioned.

Stovey was a fantastic batsman he led the league in the following categories:

Slugging % - 3x
Runs - 4x
Total bases - 3x
Doubles - 1x
Triples - 4x
HR's - 5x
RBIs - 1x
SBs - 2x

Bobby Mathews had 297 lifetime wins - 3 more and he would already be in the HOF.

[Misunderestimated]

In somewhat chronological order:
Deacon White
George Gore
Harry Stovey
Bobby Caruthers
Cupid Childs
Bill Dahlen
Jimmy Sheckard (seriously, look him up)
Joe Jackson
Carl Mays
(I think the time period of about 1930-60 has been pretty much covered)
Ron Santo (heartbreaking omission)
Joe Torre (Ok so I'm giving him credit for his managing too, but he's close as a player)
Burt Blyleven
Jack Morris (Shouldn't you get extra credit for post-season excellence? Isn't a win in October worth more than a win in June?)
Alan Trammel
Tim Raines (Really, he should have been a 1st ballot inductee)
Barry Larkin
Will Clark
Mark McGwire (this is a big argument starter -- save it for another thread)
Robbie Alomar (Should have been 1st ballot)
Edgar Martinez (Think of him as a great specialist like Gossage or Sutter)

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Non-players:
Marvin Miller
Buck O'Neill
Bill James
Tony LaRussa & Bobby Cox (when eligible)
( I think that's everyone for now)

[NYHighlanderFan]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Harder

I think he deserves consideration.

[SteveMitchell]

but I particularly like:

Bert Blyleven
Jim Kaat
Lee Smith
Wes Ferrell
Smoky Joe Wood
Urban Shocker
Cecil Travis
George "Tioga" Burns
Bob Johnson
Bobby Mathews
Dave Foutz

[3and2]

Gil Hodges
Roger Maris

[pokerrvp]

Totally agree with Bert Blyleven

[sportscardtheory]

I'm not going to go too far back, but here are a few I believe should be in.

1. Jack Morris (led the '80s in wins and was a post-season stud)
2. Bert Blyleven (3,701 Ks)
3. Tim Raines (808 SBs and .385 career OBP)
4. Tommy John (288 wins + average 12 wins per season, he missed a full season due to injury, = 300 wins)
5. Lee Smith (simply one of the best closers of all-time and 3rd in career saves)