Is this card really worth that????

[tbob]

The Hartsel/Hartsell variation is a good comparison as Quan points out. I was able to get a one "L" Hartsel finally when I decided to complete the master set of E97s. It had already started tailing down from its original high price and I expect the Matty 37-1 to do the same.

[Misunderestimated]

I don't know how one gets a "variation" included in the PSA (or SGC) registry. When PSA first listed the T205 set, the Wilhelm and Matty (maybe Moran too?) "variations" were not recognized.
As a longtime T205 collector I want to second the post above about the "multipliers" for the Cycle back. The multipliers are basically a myth except for the really scarce backs. Most of the time a seller will not get any more $ for one back than another in the T205 set. Whether its a Piedmont (really common) or Sovereign or American Beauty or Hassan or Cycle or whatever, it makes little if any difference to the vast majority of buyers. The only time the company on the back really "commands a premium" in the market is when the back is one of the really scarce ones like Drum or Hindu.

[Chris-Counts]

I find it hard to believe that anyone was paying $1,000 for a T205 "variation" in 1975 or 1976. I attended card shows then, and I remember picking up sharp cornered T206s, including HOFers, for $1 each!

And I am sure most of us that watched this auction seen the sale end with 0 bidders and a minimum bid of $7500 auction style with a BIN option on the side.

[lentel]

Originally Posted by Misunderestimated

I don't know how one gets a "variation" included in the PSA (or SGC) registry. When PSA first listed the T205 set, the Wilhelm and Matty (maybe Moran too?) "variations" were not recognized.
As a longtime T205 collector I want to second the post above about the "multipliers" for the Cycle back. The multipliers are basically a myth except for the really scarce backs. Most of the time a seller will not get any more $ for one back than another in the T205 set. Whether its a Piedmont (really common) or Sovereign or American Beauty or Hassan or Cycle or whatever, it makes little if any difference to the vast majority of buyers. The only time the company on the back really "commands a premium" in the market is when the back is one of the really scarce ones like Drum or Hindu.

Would you say there is a premium for broadleaf backs

Yes Broadleafs carry a premium. Last nice graded BL I seen auction was a Latham (A.Latham version) on Ebay. It sold for $258.78 in a SGC 5. About 2x's the average.

[Matt]

http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetail.aspx?lotid=12549

let's hope he doesn't end the listing early.

I wish the description wasn't so aggressive in trying to express the cards rarity by saying it's only one of two graded. Wouldn't it have been sufficient to just use the population reports which indicate it's the 2nd toughest variation behind the Hobby no-stats?

edited to add: that is not my card.

[barrysloate]

The description is incorrect. All Mathewson Cycles reflect one loss; Goodwin states most show eleven losses and a few don't. Somebody should contact him and have him change it.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

The description is incorrect. All Mathewson Cycles reflect one loss; Goodwin states most show eleven losses and a few don't. Somebody should contact him and have him change it.

Good call - I will email him - if a few others do as well, then hopefully he will fix it...