Net54 T206 observation

[Bicem]

Originally Posted by packs

Am I the only one who finds the T206 set boring?!

No.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by Bicem

No.

Are you bored by its awesomeness?

[T206.org]

Beer.

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by T206.org

Beer.

...and popcorn!

[ChiefBenderForever]

Nothing compares to T206 and never will. Quanity, backs, variations, hof's, sl,ect ect. The other sets are all awesome but very limited quantities. I love the caramels and see a lot of talk how they have dried up due to lower prices so very tough to pick any up, and when they do come up very expensive. The T206 is the gateway set, and you don't have to have a ton of money to start collecting them, that can't be said for most prewar.

[E93]

The problems is not too many T206 threads; it is the laziness of non-T206 collectors.

JimB.

P.S. Leon, Gary N. is one of the coolest guys in this hobby, as you know. One of the functions of this board is to serve as a watchdog to protect people like him. If you want that aspect to remain, you can't single out honest collectors for calling out unethical actions in the hobby when they are getting screwed. Gary should be applauded for being willing to go public against what was the most powerful auction house in the hobby, even if he is not a regular contributor these days (He has been in the past on the old board.). I suggest you reconsider your take on this issue.

[packs]

T206 collector, the T206 is filled with a bunch of unknowns too who never made it to the majors but do have a card in the set that you probably have. What is the difference between that and Obak collectors?

[E93]

Originally Posted by packs

T206 collector, the T206 is filled with a bunch of unknowns too who never made it to the majors but do have a card in the set that you probably have. What is the difference between that and Obak collectors?

Cobb, Matty, Wagner, Young, Johnson, Plank, and a bunch more HOFs for starters. But I love Obaks too. Aesthetically, I think Obaks are every bit the equal of T206s, if not better. The colors are amazing.

[packs]

Definitely can't beat the HOFers in the T206. Does any other set feature so many? Maybe the Goudey sets?

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by packs

T206 collector, the T206 is filled with a bunch of unknowns too who never made it to the majors but do have a card in the set that you probably have. What is the difference between that and Obak collectors?

Southern Leaguers are the Obaks of the T206 set. They are a necessary evil.

Many of the Minor Leaguers, you may find, either played in the Majors before or after their T206 appearances (e.g., Cravath, Blackburne, etc.)

[rfurnish]

I sincerely hope that this thread doesn't discourage any one from starting future t206 related threads....I realize that not everyone is here for t206, but I would guess that it's what the majority of us have an interest in. I say bring em' on!

[packs]

I guess for me the kicker to the T206 set is the pricing. I totally understand how pricing works in relation to supply and demand, but sometimes it gets way too crazy in regard to the T206. Shag only played 9 major league games but his card in comparable condition is worth more than some HOFers. I totally understand and accept it, but am just not a fan.

[teetwoohsix]

From the very first one I got (Bill Hallman SGC50)to the last ones I got (will post after I take the pictures of them maybe next month),I have never caught the fever for any other types like I did for T206's.
I hope no one stops posting about them either.
A little other flavor never hurts though,I love to read posts about all pre war cards,so bring it on!!
The December pick ups are awesome!!!!!!!!
So is the "Capture of The White Whale"(beautiful collection,congrats on that,by the way).
To each his (or her) own.
Regards,Clayton

[Leon]

Originally Posted by packs

I guess for me the kicker to the T206 set is the pricing. I totally understand how pricing works in relation to supply and demand, but sometimes it gets way too crazy in regard to the T206. Shag only played 9 major league games but his card in comparable condition is worth more than some HOFers. I totally understand and accept it, but am just not a fan.

I think the pose of Shag is what does it. He looks like Count Dracula. I only have him in E222 with that pose so will save that for another thread. Neat poses most often bring more money. It seems he almost has a cult following .

[Leon]

Originally Posted by E93

The problems is not too many T206 threads; it is the laziness of non-T206 collectors.

JimB.

P.S. Leon, Gary N. is one of the coolest guys in this hobby, as you know. One of the functions of this board is to serve as a watchdog to protect people like him. If you want that aspect to remain, you can't single out honest collectors for calling out unethical actions in the hobby when they are getting screwed. Gary should be applauded for being willing to go public against what was the most powerful auction house in the hobby, even if he is not a regular contributor these days (He has been in the past on the old board.). I suggest you reconsider your take on this issue.

JimB- this wasn't about Gary not being a great guy (in the best sense of the word). He is. It's about taking and not giving. As I said, I also helped with that situation with some phone calls I made on his behalf. Absolutely he should be applauded (hear the applause?) for outing not being paid. I would just like to see him, and others, contribute a bit more. That is all....best regards

[E93]

Originally Posted by Leon

JimB- this wasn't about Gary not being a great guy (in the best sense of the word). He is. It's about taking and not giving. As I said, I also helped with that situation with some phone calls I made on his behalf. Absolutely he should be applauded (hear the applause?) for outing not being paid. I would just like to see him, and others, contribute a bit more. That is all....best regards

Leon,
I know you and Gary are friends and that you helped him out in this situation. This is all a discussion among friends. I consider you one of my better hobby friends as well. I also would love it if he posted more. Gary is being quite humble about his knowledge. But I think he was a bad example to be called out in this case because I don't see his example of calling out Mastro an example of "taking". He put himself out there in a way that also benefitted other readers who were being screwed by Mastro and maybe did not realize there were others. It seems as though Mastro (or Doug or whoever - I don't know the details) needed the PR debacle to start to do the right thing.

I think this was a case where frustration that knowledgeable (mostly) lurkers like Gary don't post more, confused what Gary had actually done, served as a hobby watchdog, and got him labeled (wrongly, imho) as a "taker". Just my .02. Take it for what it is worth.

JimB

edited to sign my name

[Leon]

Originally Posted by E93

Leon,
I know you and Gary are friends and that you helped him out in this situation. This is all a discussion among friends. I consider you one of my better hobby friends as well. I also would love it if he posted more. Gary is being quite humble about his knowledge. But I think he was a bad example to be called out in this case because I don't see his example of calling out Mastro an example of "taking". He put himself out there in a way that also benefitted other readers who were being screwed by Mastro and maybe did not realize there were others. It seems as though Mastro (or Doug or whoever - I don't know the details) needed the PR debacle to start to do the right thing.

I think this was a case where frustration that knowledgeable (mostly) lurkers like Gary don't post more, confused what Gary had actually done, served as a hobby watchdog, and got him labeled (wrongly, imho) as a "taker". Just my .02. Take it for what it is worth.

JimB

edited to sign my name

Jim- I consider you one of my better hobby friends, so we are in reciprocation of each other's friendship; Gary is right behind you . That being said you might have to be in my shoes to feel the way I do. I am done on the subject also. Have a happy holidays and can't wait to get together at the National (I assume you will be there?).

[E93]

Originally Posted by Leon

Jim- I consider you one of my better hobby friends, so we are in reciprocation of each other's friendship; Gary is right behind you . That being said you might have to be in my shoes to feel the way I do. I am done on the subject also. Have a happy holidays and can't wait to get together at the National (I assume you will be there?).

I will be there. Looking forward to seeing you too Leon. Have a nice holiday.
JimB

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by E93

The problems is not too many T206 threads; it is the laziness of non-T206 collectors.

I would be surprised if a vintage baseball card forum was not dominated by talk of "The Monster."

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by E93

Gary should be applauded for being willing to go public against what was the most powerful auction house in the hobby, even if he is not a regular contributor these days (He has been in the past on the old board.). I suggest you reconsider your take on this issue.

Imagine if Gary didn't have money owed to him by Mastro and actually came out against them because of the obvious fraud they were committing against everyone and not just him. I guess in that case he'd just get attacked and told that his criticism was tiresome and that no one wanted to hear it anymore.

Moral of the story: Net 54 members will support the outing of an auction house engaged in obvious fraud as long as said Net 54 members are not major consignors and making money off the auction house.

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Imagine if Gary didn't have money owed to him by Mastro and actually came out against them because of the obvious fraud they were committing against everyone and not just him. I guess in that case he'd just get attacked and told that his criticism was tiresome and that no one wanted to hear it anymore.

Moral of the story: Net 54 members will support the outing of an auction house engaged in obvious fraud as long as said Net 54 members are not major consignors and making money off the auction house.

I'm just thrilled to learn that criticizing auction houses when it's appropriate is now an acceptable practice on the board -- even an applaudable one.

[E93]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Imagine if Gary didn't have money owed to him by Mastro and actually came out against them because of the obvious fraud they were committing against everyone and not just him. I guess in that case he'd just get attacked and told that his criticism was tiresome and that no one wanted to hear it anymore.

Moral of the story: Net 54 members will support the outing of an auction house engaged in obvious fraud as long as said Net 54 members are not major consignors and making money off the auction house.

Not being a major consignor to any auction house, I had to read this several times before realizing you were actually referring to me. I have not consigned to any auction house in this hobby more than once, so I think it would be difficult to characterize me as a "major consignor" to any of them. I probably have only consigned items four or five times in 25 years in the hobby. So this has nothing to do with me making money on anything. Am I now on your conspiracy radar? You couldn't hold back, even when I was supporting the same types of criticisms you have levied. The difference is, in Gary's case, irrefutable proof was presented. In many of the cases you presented, allegations were made based on circumstantial evidence - much of which was shown not to support your suggested conclusions when bidders and underbidders came on to present facts rather than innuendo. I have no problem with outing fraud. I have a problem with potentially damaging someone based on a hunch. If you want to talk about the appearance of impropriety, how about a lawyer continually bashing an auction house on a public forum only to find out months later that he is actually defending a client in a civil suit against that auction house.
JimB

[calvindog]

Jim, you're a fool. I noticed Mastro's obvious fraud years before I ever represented Dave Forman in a case against Mastro. In fact, it was because I didn't lay down for Mastro like nearly every one else did, despite the beating I was taking on the board by Dougie and his friends, that Dave probably hired me. And everything I said on behalf of Dave I said publicly on this board for years prior.

And I was right about Mastro despite all the great guys on the board who blasted me for daring to harm their golden goose. And the evidence I presented regarding Mastro was all circumstantial -- which is actually a very powerful type of evidence. Only later did more evidence come out of the woodwork supporting the very obvious proof I presented. As for Goodwin, the evidence suggesting fraud which has occurred in his auctions dwarfs anything shown in Mastro years ago. Getting 30x what other auction houses get for the same, identical card over and over again is strong enough evidence for me that something rotten is going on over there.

[Orioles1954]

No Net54 Dinner is Baltimore? Dang, my first National, 10 minutes from my house and no dinner......grrrr...

[vintagewhitesox]

I never was a big fan of the T206 set. I do like a few of the cards, like the Cobb Bat Off, and Young Portrait. But still, I can appreciate the nuances and difficulty of completing the Monster.

[E93]

Glad to hear the appearance of impropriety does not always equate with wrongdoing.
JimB

[Bicem]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

Are you bored by its awesomeness?

ha ha... honestly, I do like the set. I just get a little tired of it.