T206 AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set survey....MISSION COMPLETE

[tedzan]

These kind of "rules of the (tobacco) road" are very handy for several reasons, two of which are......

It takes the guesswork out, when searching for certain front/back combos since you know if they exist or a No-Print.

Questionable front/back combos (re-backed cards) are quickly identified.


Regards,

TED Z

[tedzan]

OK, one more round in trying to find the missing AB 460 cards. There are 28 subjects from the 350/460 series
that have not been reported with the AB 460 back. Applying the AB 460 vs Red HINDU "mutually exclusive" rule,
we narrow down the number of cards from the 350/460 series that possibly were printed with the AB 460 back
to these 6 cards. See if you have any of them......

Dougherty (arm in air)
Elberfeld (Wash-fielding)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chi)
Murphy (bat)
Overall (yellow sky)
Reulbach (no glove)


And, from the 460-only series 43 cards have been reported with the AB 460 back, these 4 are still needed......

Frill
Herzog
Merkle (throwing)
Murray (portrait)


Please check out your T206's one more time to see if you have any of these 10 cards with an AB 460 back.

Thanks,

TED Z

[tedzan]

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[tedzan]

Thanks to Jim Rivera, I now have Conroy (bat) in my AB 460 sub-set. I still need the following 3 cards
to have a complete run of the 70 confirmed (to date) AB 460 cards.

Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Jennings (two hands)
Oldring (bat)



Now, there still remains a good probability that any (or all) of the following 10 cards will be found with
an AB 460 back


From 350/460 series

Dougherty (arm in air)
Elberfeld (Wash-fielding)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chi)
Murphy (bat)
Overall (yellow sky)
Reulbach (no glove)


From the 460-only series

Frill
Herzog
Merkle (throwing)
Murray (portrait)


Any help confirming any of these 10 cards with AB 460 backs is greatly appreciated.

Also, I would appreciate any help finding the above 3 cards for my set.


Thanks,

TED Z

[sreader3]

Hi Ted,

The PSA Population Report reports one example of Herzog (Boston) with American Beauty. It is a PSA 1.

Since Herzog (Boston) is a 460-only subject, this example would have to be AB 460.

We all know PSA makes its share of labeling mistakes, but it seems unlikely here.

Merry Christmas.

Scot

[batsballsbases]

Ted,
Im really not a T collector but I was going thru a box and found these 2 cards. Cobb is very rough 460 back. And A card I didnt see on your lists Mcginnity Newark,With an american beauty 350 back with a frame? I posted 2 scans . Al

[tedzan]

Al

Thanks for your post. This survey lists only the AB 460 cards. There is another survey that we did for the
AB 350 (frame) cards (in which your McGinnity is listed).

If you would like to sell or trade your Cobb with the AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 back, please email me at.......

tedzan11@comcast.net


TED Z

[tedzan]

Thanks very much....Herzog makes it 71 confirmed AB 460 cards, to date.

Indeed, Herzog (Boston) is an AB 460......and, that leaves us with only 3 remaining 460-only series subjects to
be confirmed.

I'm pretty certain we will find these 3 (Frill, Merkle and Murray) eventually. As for the 10 (or so) 350/460 series
subjects, I'm not very certain we will find them.

Scot......a very MERRY CHRISTMAS to you and your family.


TED Z

[tedzan]

From the 460-only series......

Murray (portrait) has been reported with an AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 back. This card raises
the number of confirmed AB 460 cards to 72.

Still unconfirmed from this series are these two......

Frill
Merkle (throwing)

However, It's my guess that Frill wont be found with an AB 460 back, since he was sold to
Jersey City (Eastern League) on July 13, 1910. The AB 460 cards were printed circa 1911.

Merkle exists with a UZIT back; consequently, there is a low probability of finding Merkle
with an AB 460 back. Only 5 cards (of 48) from the 460-only series exist with both AB 460
and UZIT backs.


Now, regarding cards in 350/460 series........

There still remains a good probability that any (or all) of the following 6 cards will be found
with an AB 460 back

Dougherty (arm in air)
Elberfeld (Wash-fielding)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chi)
Murphy (bat)
Overall (yellow sky)
Reulbach (no glove)


Any help confirming any of these 6 (or 8) cards with AB 460 backs is greatly appreciated.


Thanks,

TED Z

[Blunder19]

Figured I would show the cobbin its new SGC holder.. Im happy enough was there for it to get a 10... SGC said its the 1st cobb batt off AB 460 graded with them.. happy to add it to my slowly growing collection...

[batsballsbases]

Hi Jamie,
Please enjoy the card and Im glad it was able to at least get a grade!

[tedzan]

Hey guys....still looking for these 8 cards with AB 460 backs.


Dougherty (arm in air)
Elberfeld (Wash-fielding)
Frill
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chi)
Merkle (throwing)
Murphy (bat)
Overall (yellow sky)
Reulbach (no glove)

Any help confirming any of these 8 cards with AB 460 backs is greatly appreciated.


Thanks,

TED Z

[tedzan]

I am reprising this thread, one more once......I fully expect that we are near completion of this rare T206 sub-set, thanks
to 3 1/2 months of responses and based upon the mutually exclusive factors (of T-brands in the 460 series) that've been
presented here. We have accounted for 72 - AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 cards. So, we are left with 31 subjects that appear
to be AB 460 "no-prints".





UPDATED list......72 confirmed AB 460 cards


350/460 Series..................27 cards

Ames (hands over head)
Berger
Bradley (bat)
Burch (fielding)
Cobb (bat off)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Jordan (bat)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Manning (pitching)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Tinker (bat off)
Wagner (bat on right)
Doc White (pitching)
Willetts
Willis (bat)
Wilhelm (bat)
Wiltse (pitching)


460-only Series..................45 cards

Abbaticcio (blue sleeves)
Ball (Cleveland)
Bell (pitching)
Bescher (arms above)
Bergen (catching)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
Camnitz (arms at side)
Camnitz (arms up)
Chance (bat)
Chase (Trophy)
Crandall (cap)
Devore
Doyle (portrait)
Duffy
Ford
Gandil
Geyer
Herzog (Boston)
Howell (hands at waist)
Hummell
Lake (with ball)
Latham
Marquard (follow thru)
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McGraw (glove at hip)
Meyers
Murray (portrait)
Needham
Oldring (bat)
Overall (blue sky)
Payne
Pfeffer
Schaefer (Washington)
Schulte (back view)
Schlei (portrait)
Schlei (bat)
Seymour (portrait)
Sheckard (glove)
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)
H. Smith (Brooklyn)
Stovall (bat)
Tannehill (Chicago)
Tinker (bat on)
Wheat
Wiltse (portrait-cap)


One more go around....If any Net54er poster's, or reader's have any AB 460 cards that are not listed here,
please show and/or tell us about them. Or, please email me at......
tedzan11@comcast.net


Thanks much,

TED Z

[tedzan]

A Net54 reader has reported Merkle (throwing) with an AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 back. This increases the AB 460 sub-set
tally to 73 cards.

In my opinion, these "dudes" are much tougher than their current ranking in the T206 "back scarcity" list.

Still lookiing for more AB 460 cards.....Thanks in advance, for your responses.


TED Z

[quinnsryche]

Here's my only AB 460.

[tedzan]

Tony

Thanks for posting your AB 460 Ford.

TED Z

[tedzan]

Hey guys....we now have 73 cards confirmed with AB 460 backs; and, we are still looking for these 7 cards
with AB 460 backs.


Dougherty (arm in air)
Elberfeld (Wash-fielding)
Frill
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chi)
Murphy (bat)
Overall (yellow sky)
Reulbach (no glove)

Any help confirming any of these 7 cards with AB 460 backs is greatly appreciated.


Thanks,

TED Z

[B O'Brien]

Nothing new here, just a chance to show the three that I currently have, two of three from the Board. AB 460 Marquard, AB 460 McGraw Glove, and Mr. Camnitz.
Bob

[tedzan]

Thanks for posting your AB 460's.

That is a great looking Harry Camnitz card.


Regards,

TED Z

[tedzan]

Show us some more of your AB 460 cards


Always looking for more AB 460 cards.


TED Z

[Mikehealer]

Nice group Ted, that Smith is nice front/back combonation.
These are my only two.

[tedzan]

Thanks for showing us your AB 460's.

I find it very interesting that certain subjects are seen quite often, while others in this series are extremely rare.

The most often see are......

Burch (fielding)
Devore
Ford
McGraw (glove at hip)


TED Z