E100 printers scrap revisited

[dstudeba]

Leon,

Are those all scaled the same? As I recall from the dimensions from the auctions on eBay the images were the same size as the issued cards. Also since the scan you show is a composite to cut out the holders on the new cards, it is a bit deceiving.
As probably previously mentioned, the scraps have nothing to do with Type IIs, the font and cropping is wrong.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by dstudeba

Leon,

Are those all scaled the same? As I recall from the dimensions from the auctions on eBay the images were the same size as the issued cards. Also since the scan you show is a composite to cut out the holders on the new cards, it is a bit deceiving.
As probably previously mentioned, the scraps have nothing to do with Type IIs, the font and cropping is wrong.

Good point Dan. I do need to go get the "scraps" from my safe deposit box so I can make sure they are sized the same as the regular ones. They very well might not be. Of course the fonts and cropping are wrong for the type 2's....but there looks to be a cropping difference, was all I was mentioning. It is rare for a similar type series to have different cropping ala the E100-1 and E100-2. So these being cropped differently than either type 1s or 2s (most likely) still makes sense...It probably is a 3rd different cropping but I will make sure later on and post a more accurate scan..

[dstudeba]

Hi Leon,

Sorry I just can't see the cropping difference. Now if the picture is to scale, then I see the difference. I think I would have noticed if the scraps were the same size as the regular e100s when you showed them to me at the National, as at that time I was working on the assumption that they were trimmed down from e100 size.
I look forward to seeing the side by side scan; or you can just sell one to me and I will do it.....

[Leon]

Here ya go....and of course you were correct....

[packs]

Stating the obvious, yes, but also grounded in fact. If these were type 2 scraps they would have the position followed by the period followed by the comma. But they don't. So even if Powell is uncatalogued in the Type 2 set, this is not his Type 2 scrap. I mean, if i bought these for the money they went for I'd want them to be printers scraps too and for Powell to not be catalogued. I wouldn't want them to be cut from ad piece or something like it either. Didn't mean any disrespect just trying to contribute to the discussion.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by packs

Stating the obvious, yes, but also grounded in fact. I mean, if i bought these for the money they went for I'd want them to be printers scraps too and for Powell to not be catalogued. I wouldn't want them to be cut from ad piece or something like it either. Didn't mean any disrespect just trying to contribute to the discussion.

No worries, Packs. When we have a debate it's always good to give a point of view and maybe offer some sort of suggestion. Anyone can see what they are...and now the cropping is the same when put side by side so that difference is moot. As far as what I paid my snipes were over 3x of the winning bid on the first one and over 2x of the 2nd one. I was very happy with what I paid for them. As for them being a printers scrap or cut from an ad piece, now that I too see the similar cropping, I am back to square one. Thanks for the debate so far. Sorry if I got a little defensive but I would like to hear a possible explanation for what these are, not the fact that they are what we see.....best regards

[E93]

If those latest scans are accurate size representations, then they are looking a lot more like printer's scrap in my book.
JimB

[packs]

All the respect in the world to you Leon. This site is fantastic.

Here is an explanation I'm going to toss out there and people can talk about it if they want or just throw it away I'm no PCL expert though I do enjoy this set a lot. Here goes:

To me, they look like black and white E100 Type 1's. I don't think they have anything to do with the Type 2 set. Since they are about the same size as the Type 1 set minus the borders, but feature different image crops (Tennant's head has a shadow on the scrap that the card does not), my ultimate guess is that these are Type 1 prototypes cut from an advertising piece for the Type 1 set. Not all that different from what others have said and of course comes without ever having seen an ad piece like this.

[dstudeba]

Thanks Leon, they still look great.