Hi-Lites from the Philly Show....including a new Doyle error card.

[JamesGallo]

Those kids came by my table and asked for Nap Rucker. I was taken a back and asked why he wanted a Rucker. He just said he didn't know and looked a bit more.

I didn't talk to them as much as Ted, but maybe I should have. Nice to see young blood.

James G

[tedzan]

JAMES

These two kids, were not only T206-wise, they were wise shoppers. The 1st time they came to my booth about 2 PM on Sunday.
They checked-out my stuff and asked about my prices. Then they dragged their Mom and Dad to other booths. Then about 3 PM,
they returned to my set-up and started their conversation about the numerous T206's in my Junk-box and my binder. I sold them
the 5 - T206 cards at 1/2 price. They thanked me and asked me for my business card.

Also, they are avid Phillies fans and they had come there for the autographs.....Cliff Lee was thru signing at 2 PM. This was a rare
example of having popular local star(s) signing also benefiting the dealers.

Incidently, I think Cliff Lee was the most popular star all weekend. Even more popular than Carlton, Rose, and Schmidt. Lee signed
items for more than 200 people.



RICH

I would bet that these brothers will return to the Philly show in March (2010). It's anyone's guess if their parents will go as far as
Baltimore next summer.

Can you please share with us the other 2 scenarios regarding the Joe Doyle error cards at the Philly Show ?

I recall 2 - Joe Doyle error cards "walked-in" to the Philadelphia Convention Center Show (circa 2000). One of these was a real one;
and, the other turned out to be a fake. However, I don't think you are referring to them ? ?


TED Z

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by tedzan

JAMES

I recall 2 - Joe Doyle error cards "walked-in" to the Philadelphia Convention Center Show (circa 2000). One of these was a real one;
and, the other turned out to be a fake. However, I don't think you are referring to them ? ?


TED Z

Teddy:
You may be correct in that it was the Sports Fest Shows; I thought they were the Ft Washington shows and I was told they showed up one show each.

Since you were there, and I only read the stories in Trade Fax; I bow to the primary witness on the subject

Rich

[danmckee]

It was sports fest, I was there and the dude that sold the fake Doyle came straight to my table and spent several thousand $$. He was shaking like a leaf, I should have known something was wrong then but I never saw the card. Alan had it by then and I believe it may have been slabbed quickly. Dan.

[tedzan]

I was at this show in downtown Phila. in 1999. My understanding is that a large collection of T206's (in plastic pages in a binder)
walked-in and the owner went straight to Mr Mint's booth. Al Rosen flipped thru the pages of the binder and bought the collection.
707-Sportscards' booth was next to Rosen's. Alan flipped this collection to either Levi or Jimmy. When they looked thru the binder,
they spotted the Joe Doyle with the "Nat'l" caption. Obviously, Rosen never saw it when he skimmed thru the pages.

This Doyle error card has been graded and is one of the 8 known legitimate T206 Doyle error cards.


T-Rex TED

[tedzan]

Continuing from Dan McKee's......."I was there and the dude that sold the fake Doyle came straight to my table
and spent several thousand $$. He was shaking like a leaf, I should have known something was wrong then but
I never saw the card. Alan had it by then and I believe it may have been slabbed quickly."

Indeed Dan, it was slabbed. It is one of the most egregious mistakes ever made in the world of BB card grading.
This particular "Doyle error" card was one of the most amateurish attempts at adding "Nat'l" to its caption of all
the fake Doyle's ever seen. How it got past the grader(s) is utterly mystifying.

This story gets even worse......a big name in the hobby acquires this Doyle, realizes it's a fake, and sues to re-
cover the big $$$$$ he paid for it. His money was returned. But, I'm not sure who ended up "eating this fake".


T-Rex TED

[Jewish-collector]

Ted,

Speaking of Rosen, does he still have a booth at the Philly show ?

[glynparson]

Ted's recollection is close. I worked for Levi at the time so I know exactly what happend. The binder with the real Doyle was sold by Esposito to Levi and it did not walk into the show it walked into Czuba's store when Rosen was set up there on a buying trip. So Esposito Czuba and Rosen all missed the Doyle along with Jimmy who looked through the binder before Levi purchased it. Levi also had no idea the card was in the binder when he bought it. Jimmy realized it was the Doyle error while he was walking around, after having passed on the deal. He raced back to Joe's table only to be told Levi had already purchased the binder. Levi had given me the binder to put in the back while he conitnued shopping the floor. Jimmy came racing over looked thru the binder pulled the card and waited for Levi to return to tell him of his good luck. Rosen would not have flipped anything to Levi at the time as they where not on speaking terms. Levi, to his credit, attempted to give Joe more money but Joe flat out refused, telling Levi he made the deal and would not take another dime from him. I had never heard the part about Dan selling the guy cards who sold Rosen the Doyle. I guess Dan's comments clear Rosen of the rumors he had the second Doyle made to try and discredit the real one Levi had and that he flipped for pennies.

PS Alan the answer is no Rosen no longer has a table.

[Rob D.]

Great story, Glyn.

Thanks for the accurate account.

[Rich Klein]

Sounds like no villians in this story; instead everyone acted appropriately (except for the guy Dan met) and honored their deals. Good to hear (not that this is a suprise) that both Levi and Joe in a situation like this both honored their deal.

Rich