T206 AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set survey....MISSION COMPLETE

[barrysloate]

Try to catch Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong doing "April in Paris" together...it was never done better.

[toppcat]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Try to catch Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong doing "April in Paris" together...it was never done better.

IF you like Ella, this might interest you: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...3921RD00AE0RKZ

I may pick it up myself after the holidays.

[barrysloate]

Dave- there was an extensive article about those recordings in this past Sunday's New York Times. They sound like classic performances.

[tedzan]

Gee, I hijacked my own thread with the Jazz trivia. Now, let's switch this AB 460 train back onto the main track.

There is no doubt about Baker with a Red HINDU back, so now I'm checking out Baker with an AB 460 back.

Regards,

TED Z

[tedzan]

I'll be back Monday after the Philly Show....and, I hope to have acquired some more AB 460 cards for my sub-set.

Also, I'm hoping that you guys might have some more AB 460 inputs for this thread.


Thanks,

T-Rex TED

[tedzan]

I'm reprising this thread to correct the entry of Home Run Baker. This card indeed exists with a Red HINDU back. Therefore, I was skeptical of
previous data that showed it with an AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 back. Upon further investigation, I found out that Baker has only been confirmed
with an AB 350 back....and, not an AB 460 back.

Here is the new UPDATED list....we are back to 70 confirmed AB 460 subjects......






350/460 Series..................27 cards

Ames (hands over head)
Berger
Bradley (bat)
Burch (fielding)
Cobb (bat off)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Jordan (bat)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Manning (pitching)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Tinker (bat off)
Wagner (bat on right)
Doc White (pitching)
Willetts
Willis (bat)
Wilhelm (bat)
Wiltse (pitching)


460-only Series..................43 cards

Abbaticcio (blue sleeves)
Ball (Cleveland)
Bell (pitching)
Bescher (arms above)
Bergen (catching)
Bridwell (cap)
Camnitz (arms at side)
Camnitz (arms up)
Chance (bat)
Chase (Trophy)
Crandall (cap)
Devore
Doyle (portrait)
Duffy
Ford
Gandil
Geyer
Howell (hands at waist)
Hummell
Lake (with ball)
Latham
Marquard (follow thru)
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McGraw (glove at hip)
Meyers
Needham
Oldring (bat)
Overall (blue sky)
Payne
Pfeffer
Schaefer (Washington)
Schulte (back view)
Schlei (portrait)
Schlei (bat)
Seymour (portrait)
Sheckard (glove)
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)
H. Smith (Brooklyn)
Stovall (bat)
Tannehill (Chicago)
Tinker (bat on)
Wheat
Wiltse (portrait w/cap)


If anyone on Net54 has any AB 460 cards that are not listed here, please show or tell us about them.


Thanks much

TED Z

[tedzan]

By applying the AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 vs Red HINDU "mutually exclusive rule", we have narrowed down the
number of cards still needed to be confirmed with the AB 460 back to these 10 cards......

Dougherty (arm in air)
Elberfeld (Wash-fielding)
Frill
Herzog
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chi)
Merkle (throwing)
Murphy (bat)
Murray (portrait)
Overall (yellow sky)
Reulbach (no glove)


Please check out your T206's to see if you have any of these with an AB 460 back.

Thanks,

TED Z

[cfc1909]

my AB 460 list

1. Jennings one hand
2. Ford
3. Crandall
4. Latham
5. Lake ST. Louis no ball
6. McGraw glove at hip
7. McGraw cap
8. Leach bending over
9. Meyers portrait
10. Payne
11. Pfeffer
12. Sheckard
13. Gandil

[Sterling Sports Auctions]

Ted,

that list of ten is very similar to my list of Cycle 460s getting narrowed down. I do not believe I have have seen of known of more than 2 of each of the Cycle 460 copies of those 10 ABs listed. Any chance that some of these cards got double printed or 2 different series?

[cfc1909]

not sure about Herzog AB 460 but I am sure he exist in Cycle 460

[tedzan]

The CYCLE 460 cards were printed and issued (late 1910) prior to the AB 460 cards (1911). The CYCLE 460 backs
are found on most of the 109 possible subjects. Whereas, to date, we have only confirmed 70 of the possible 103
AB 460 cards. I don't expect that we will find too many more AB 460 cards. The reason being, that the Red HINDU
cards (issued in 1911) appear to complement the AB 460 cards in the total run of the 350/460 and 460-only series
subjects.

Why American Litho. printed these 2 backs in this manner is a mystery to me. Do you guys have any ideas on this ?


TED Z