Need Help Identifying RPPC

[bmarlowe1]

The tip (lower end - wher the nostrils are) of Bay's nose is wide in my "grainy" photo (which is actually quite clear in detail) and the 1903 clear photo - in fact it is unusually wide. It is also wide in another Cle team photo I have - but you are in such a state of self-delusion I won't waste tome posting it. BTW it is also wide in the fan-craze photo - I have a very clear version of it in Slocum's book. Pehaps he suffered from some strange chronic end of nose swelling that cured itself when your photo was taken.

Also in the fan-craze photo - what happened to the big right earlobe - where did it go?

[DixieBaseball]

Mark- If you could resize the fan craze photo and put it next to your grainy photo, I think you will see 2 different size noses down the bridge.How do you explain that ? Not dilusioned here... I just can see that the Fan Craze photo nose and the Grainy photo nose look different. Size them and put them next to each other...

You asked where did the Big Ear lobe go ? The angle does not permit to see the entire ear lobe. Look at his other ear and you can see the big ear lobe on his left side in the Fan Craze photo...

[bmarlowe1]

>>>You asked where did the Big Ear lobe go ? The angle does not permit to see the entire ear lobe. Look at his other ear and you can see the big ear lobe on his left side in the Fan Craze photo

Yes exactly - he is looking absolutely straight at you and you can see his left lobe but not his right lobe - what does that tell you? It tells you Bay's ears are not symmetrical and that he has a very small lobe (if any) on his right side - just like the "grainy" photo (amazing, huh?) and completely unlike your photo.

This ear asymmetry (and the wide lower part of his nose) is also seen in another 1906 Bay photo below.

BTW - compare the left ears in my "grainy" photo and yours, with both heads turned slightly to their left by about the same amount - not only does your guy's left ear stick out a lot more - but the angle with respect to the head is different.

>>>I think you will see 2 different size noses down the bridge...

I don't see that, and I never said anything about the bridge of his nose. The bottom/tip of his nose is very wide. It's is easily seen in the 1903 photo and the 1904 photo. If you go to the Boston Pub Library and take a look at the 1902 Cle team headshot composite - you will see the fan craze photo without the darkroom softening applied to it for the card - and you will clearly see his nose is wide at the bottom. Your guy's nose is narrow at the bottom.
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What concerns me here is not you and your photo and what your conclusion may be - I know you are honest and just mistaken. But, the types of arguments you make mirror those made by sellers in a number of fraudulent cases I have seen. This also illustrates why such sellers can always find a buyer.

[DixieBaseball]

What concerns me here is not you and your photo and what your conclusion may be - I know you are honest and just mistaken. But, the types of arguments you make mirror those made by sellers in a number of fraudulent cases I have seen. This also illustrates why such sellers can always find a buyer.

Mark - Your comments above remind of George Costanza from one of the Seinfeld episodes where he looks at Jerry and says "Jerry, just remember... it's not a lie if you believe it."

Mark - For the record, I have no conclusion on who this might be, but I do feel that it is inconclusive either way.

Thanks again for your insight, time, and expertise.

Here is another really grainy photo from the 08 Team Pic : The Noses look very similar in these 2 pics. When looking at 100 year old photo's and the player is at just the slightest angle, up or down, tilted left or right, it changes the look of the nose... With 7 Bay photo's, his nose takes on different looks depending on how is expression on his face is and the angle he is looking at you with...

[bmarlowe1]

>>>"Mark - Your comments above remind of George Costanza from one of the Seinfeld episodes where he looks at Jerry and says "Jerry, just remember... it's not a lie if you believe it."

What in the world are you talking about?

>>>"another really grainy photo..."

No - the one just above is the only really grainy photo so far posted. It is so blurred it is worthless.

>>>When looking at 100 year old photo's and the player is at just the slightest angle, up or down, tilted left or right, it changes the look of the nose... With 7 Bay photo's, his nose takes on different looks depending on how is expression on his face is and the angle he is looking at you with...

Total nonsense. Expression will not affect the appearance of the width of the end of one's nose (or how far your left ear sticks out) and it doesn't matter if the photo is 100 years old or one year old. Smiling (absent in all the photos under discussion) can move the nostrils up - but won't make them closer together.

Slight changes in angle will not affect the "look" of major characteristics; large differences in angle may make them harder to see or interpret, especially without a lot of experience. That's why I posted a clear photo of Bay (for which the "grains" were far smaller than the features - nothing is obscured) that was at virtually the same angle as yours. Your guy's nose looks narrow at the tip because it is.

So - find me a clear frontal view photo of Babe Ruth, or Jackie Robinson (you have thousands from which to choose) in which a "slight" angle of the head makes the end of the nose look narrow. You won't find one, nor will you ever find one of Bay.

[bmarlowe1]

I was feeling lazy - I should have done this at the start, but I figured it would be sufficiently obvious that these were not the same person. I don't know if Jeremy will understand this, but most readers will.

[DixieBaseball]

Mark - That is interesting science...

Can you do that with these 2 Bay photo's ? When I use your line mechanism, I can't get these 2 Bay Pictures to measure up to each other from Hat line to chin line. It seems the Bay Photo you keep using looks the least like any of the other Bay photo's.

Thanks,

J