Yikes! From 88 to Auth

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Fred

What was the person that resubmitted thinking? Were they thinking this could be upgraded to an 8.5 or even a 9.0.... big dreams...

This hobby is filled with individuals who commit fraud every day, even when they know they are being watched, even when they are called out for it on this board -- so why should this be a surprise?

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by calvindog

This hobby is filled with individuals who commit fraud every day, even when they know they are being watched, even when they are called out for it on this board...

Yeah. Aren't they great guys though?

[calvindog]

The best guys. However, my gut tells me that the worm is about to turn....

[Peter_Spaeth]

There is no chance PSA would cross the card without examining it out of the holder, so the guy had no choice but to crack it out. Would YOU cross a card without examining the edges even if it looks full size?

[HRBAKER]

Then the prudent thing was to be happy with what you had, or what you thought you had.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

Then the prudent thing was to be happy with what you had, or what you thought you had.

I sort of agree, but at the same time wasn't the guy justified in assuming the Net 54 grader of choice SGC would not have graded the card an 88 if it was trimmed? Isn't that what we rely on grading companies for? So are you saying we can't rely on them? And if we can't rely on them, why are we paying them, simply to commoditize our cards? And what are they selling if not expertise?

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I sort of agree, but at the same time wasn't the guy justified in assuming the Net 54 grader of choice SGC would not have graded the card an 88 if it was trimmed? Isn't that what we rely on grading companies for? So are you saying we can't rely on them? And if we can't rely on them, why are we paying them, simply to commoditize our cards? And what are they selling if not expertise?

Peter,

All good points. And yes they should all be reliable. Who knows, did they miss it the first time or the second time? What is the upside in breaking out an 88? A 8.5, a 9? To me that is a long shot but I assume that the breakee thought the worst case scenario was to get it back in an 88 holder. Is is worth it to void the guarantee by cracking it out to submit?

Jeff

[egbeachley]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

There is no chance PSA would cross the card without examining it out of the holder, so the guy had no choice but to crack it out. Would YOU cross a card without examining the edges even if it looks full size?

What? Their entire crossover service is based on doing just that.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by egbeachley

What? Their entire crossover service is based on doing just that.

They will cross a $15,000 NM/Mt card without examining the card out of the slab? So by definition without a clear look at the edges? That is scary if true. I think SGC has a dollar value limit for that type of service.

[egbeachley]

Straight from the website.

Crossover Service (Cards) Cards graded by other third-party firms may be submitted in their holders for PSA grading. This service is available under all service levels. PSA will evaluate the card inside the current holder. If PSA deems the card worthy to cross over into the Customer’s specified minimum grade, the card will be removed from its holder and placed into a PSA holder. Customers using the Crossover Service must provide a minimum grade on the submission form.

[Sterling Sports Auctions]

Peter Spaeth, alot of what you are saying is speculation and are not quite sure of the facts. As stated SGC will not crossover a card if it does not meet the minimum grade, thus if they feel it does not they will not crack the card out.

As far as PSA policies (Ed has that covered), but I was SGC and a card came back to me out of it's original holder and told it had been altered. The submitter took SGC off any responsiblity once the card left the holder. If there was a question to it being trimmed by PSA they should have left it in the holder sent it back to the owner and the owner take it to SGC from there.

edit for a lack of observation,

Lee

[Sterling Sports Auctions]

Just wanted to add the SGC pop report shows 1 1910 Piedmont Cobb graded, no designation to the pose.

Lee