Yikes! From 88 to Auth

[Wesley]

Here is the description on ebay:

"So this is a sad story. This card was originally purchased in an SGC 88 holder (see scan below) and was cracked out for grading by PSA a while back by an unfortunate collector. PSA determined the card was trimmed, and SGC agreed upon re-evaluation. While SGC admitted they'd made a serious error, the card had already been removed from their holder. In the end, SGC has regraded the card as Authentic due to the suspected trimming."



So SGC acknowledge that it had incorrectly graded this card the first time. If that is the case, will SGC buy the card back under it's buyback policy? Or is the owner out of luck since he removed the card from the slab?

[Bosox Blair]

Originally Posted by Wesley

Or is the owner out of luck since he removed the card from the slab?

Yes - you can bet that is it. And there's good reason for a condition like that on your guarantee. SGC is responsible for the contents of that holder matching their representation while it remains sealed in the holder and not tampered with.

This guy busted it out (could easily have damaged it then), sent it in the mail (could easily have damaged), had PSA guys paw it over (could easily have damaged it)...and who knows what the owner did while the card was busted out? What company on earth would continue to guarantee anything under those conditions? None.

The guy fully got what he deserved. The only reason he busted it out was to shoot for an 8.5 or 9. Otherwise he would have sent it in SGC slabbed. PSA would have refused to cross for evidence of trimming and sent it back in the SGC slab. On re-evaluation if SGC agreed, their guarantee would absolutely have applied.

Sometimes greed ain't so good...is that not clear yet after 2008/2009?

Cheers,
Blair

[Ladder7]

I haven't seen a beating like this since I had a banana in my pocket and someone turned the monkey loose.

If they gave awards to Monday morning quarterbacks, I'd win the Heisman... But, wouldn't it be nice to see this thing in the original slab?

Shame on the gambler for not taking a few minutes to ask, "Hey guys, think this would get a bump?" Though Im sure he knows this.

[egbeachley]

Originally Posted by Bosox Blair

Yes - you can bet that is it. And there's good reason for a condition like that on your guarantee. SGC is responsible for the contents of that holder matching their representation while it remains sealed in the holder and not tampered with.

This guy busted it out (could easily have damaged it then), sent it in the mail (could easily have damaged), had PSA guys paw it over (could easily have damaged it)...and who knows what the owner did while the card was busted out? What company on earth would continue to guarantee anything under those conditions? None.

The guy fully got what he deserved. The only reason he busted it out was to shoot for an 8.5 or 9. Otherwise he would have sent it in SGC slabbed. PSA would have refused to cross for evidence of trimming and sent it back in the SGC slab. On re-evaluation if SGC agreed, their guarantee would absolutely have applied.

I think Blair summed it up well. Plus SGC could not admit a mistake after all those handling processes after it was cracked out. That's the seller's own words.

[FrankWakefield]

I don't think what I'm about to say will alter anyone's thinking on this matter... we, especially me, are all pretty well set in our ways.

But what are you guys saying???? The card is the card, it hasn't changed, it is the same card. If it was wrongly in an 88 holder wouldn't you all agree (no) that it should be broken out and resubmitted. To leave it in a holder it doesn't deserve, isn't that wrongful, misleading, and all of that other stuff I hear about?? Are you guys really saying it should have been left in a holder that would potentially mislead a possible buyer who was only looking at the slab number and not the card??

Seems to me that if the card was inaccurately graded before, and now is accurately graded, you guys should all be lauding that. For me, I think breaking him out of the 88 was a good start, and a good place to stop, instead of wasting money on regrading. And if the card had not been graded in the first place, then all would be well...

Happy Thanksgiving to all.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I agree with Frank insofar as this particular card goes, it is fortunate this happened so a trimmed card is not on the market in an 88 holder. The real issue of course is how many similar mistakes have been made by both grading services. One shudders to think what would happen if one cracked out all the high dollar value 8s and 9s and resubmitted them.

[HRBAKER]

There is a very good chance (IMO) that any card that old graded that high has been played with. So if you want to play the resubmit game regardless of your motives (I want it for my registry set, I have all my cards in PSA holders, whatever) IMO you are the one taking a huge gamble just like you did when you bought the 88 to start with. I am assuming the submitter for one reason or another decided that he stood a better chance of it crossing or bumping if it was cracked out, when this hapened the guarantee of any sort was relenquished.

Of course it could be the case that good old-fashioned greed was the reason as well. Don't know but there wouldn't be anything wrong with that either.

And Frank your question gets to the real essence of the situation, what is the most important thing; what the card really is or what the holder says it is.

[buymycards]

I agree with Jeff. It is difficult for me to believe that ANY T206 was cut in the factory, inserted into a pack, shipped to a store, purchased by the customer, removed from the cigarettes, and still survived all of these years with 4 razor sharp corners.

Happy Turkey Day!

Rick

[martindl]

Originally Posted by FrankWakefield

I don't think what I'm about to say will alter anyone's thinking on this matter... we, especially me, are all pretty well set in our ways.

But what are you guys saying???? The card is the card, it hasn't changed, it is the same card. If it was wrongly in an 88 holder wouldn't you all agree (no) that it should be broken out and resubmitted. To leave it in a holder it doesn't deserve, isn't that wrongful, misleading, and all of that other stuff I hear about?? Are you guys really saying it should have been left in a holder that would potentially mislead a possible buyer who was only looking at the slab number and not the card??

Seems to me that if the card was inaccurately graded before, and now is accurately graded, you guys should all be lauding that. For me, I think breaking him out of the 88 was a good start, and a good place to stop, instead of wasting money on regrading. And if the card had not been graded in the first place, then all would be well...

Happy Thanksgiving to all.

I tried three times yesterday to write out my thoughts on this and could never get happy with the results, so just gave up. Thank you Frank for managing to post exactly what I was trying to say, but couldn't.

There is no "sad story" here and there is no "what a shame", save perhaps for the fellow that purchased the card at 88 for high dollars and now finds he's out some money. Its a sad story for him, but for everyone else, its not.

This is a good thing surely. A seemingly bogus card is now rightfully graded as Authentic.

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by martindl

I tried three times yesterday to write out my thoughts on this and could never get happy with the results, so just gave up. Thank you Frank for managing to post exactly what I was trying to say, but couldn't.

Well, I guess one man's literacy is another's hypocrisy.

So if the guy subbmitted the card in a SGC 88 holder would PSA crack it out to inspect it and then cross it?? Or do they do like SGC and inspect the card in its case and make a decision based on that

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by Pup6913

So if the guy subbmitted the card in a SGC 88 holder would PSA crack it out to inspect it and then cross it?? Or do they do like SGC and inspect the card in its case and make a decision based on that

I don't know for sure the answer to your question about PSA but this is a problem I have with the crossover process.

If you send in a PSA 8 in the holder to SGC for crossover and the card is rejected as trimmed it will be sent back to you in the PSA 8 holder.

Do you think more people would contact PSA and begin the fight to get their money from them for improperly grading the card, or simply sell the card on the open market as a PSA 8 knowing it to be trimmed?

[Fred]

Wow, what a bummer. What happens if SGC was right the first time?

If I resubmitted it (which I wouldn't have had the balls to do), I'd be pretty upset.

What was the person that resubmitted thinking? Were they thinking this could be upgraded to an 8.5 or even a 9.0.... big dreams...

I still can't get over someone wanting to break it out for a resubmission. I'd have told the grading company that either the card crosses to the same grade or higher or the card can only get a higher grade - I'd have told them to not breaker it out otherwise... if they did and I got back an AUTH slab I'd be shocked