e97 B&W questions

[sb1]

1stly they are not proofs, they were obviously issued and circulated and found in old time collections. While not know for sure, the B & W ones were probably issued by some other party than C.A. Briggs and purchased from the same lithographer, they were just on a budget and went B & W and no printed back, just a hunch of mine.

The pictures are identical lithographs of the full color E97's. The cards are on much thinner stock.

They are not rare, perhaps scarce is appropriate. They used to command 4 figures for even g/vg examples but can now be found in the mid 3 figure range for that grade or nicer(however g/vg is about the best you will find). We have auctioned a couple in the last year.

Scott

[Jacklitsch]

[fkw]

I agree with Scott. A related issue, not a proof.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by fkw

I agree with Scott. A related issue, not a proof.

Agreed. Certainly not proofs and they remind me of Colgan's "Proofs"...as those aren't proofs either.

[Abravefan11]

I ran across a couple of these in a card shop today. The owner had them mixed in a box, unlabeled, with an assortment of other cards.

Are the prices for these dropping as more people believe them to not be proofs?

The cards I saw were a Murray (Good) and Mullin (Poor, slight tear on border and pencil writing on reverse.)

Ballparks on their value?

[Jacklitsch]

How much is he asking? We can then better advise whether the price is in line.

[Abravefan11]

Steve,

He won't set a price without knowing what the cards are. If I put them back in the box and don't tell him they'll stay there with no price. It's an odd relationship I know. I have vowed in the past to stop this practice but enjoy the discovery even if I don't end up with the cards.

I have the two cards in hand as he will let me take what I am interested in for research. I will post scans in a bit.