1921 Baltimore Orioles Tip top Bread.

[danmckee]

I have a scan of the ad

I will scan a few cards

then if someone can post them for me as I can't figure out this new board

that would be great

[ctownboy]

Here is my two cents about uncataloqued cards especially unknown sets. It is best to at least get SOME information out into the public than keep quiet about them. My reasoning is this.

How many times, recently, have we heard about "finds" of Old Judge or T206 cards where an old person has died and a younger relative has found the cards? How many times did the younger person NOT know how valuable the cards were and either had to go to the internet and do research on them or, worse yet, sold them for little or nothing or threw them away (only to have somebody else hear about this and go searching through the garbage to find them again)?

Now imagine this happening with these 1921 Tip Top inserts.

With Old Judge and T206 cards, it is relatively easy to get onto the internet and do research about them. However, since the 1921 Tip Tops were only issued locally in Baltimore with bread, there weren't a lot made to begin with and probably very few remaining now. So, if an old person died and had some of these in a box in the attic or a scrapbook in the closet and a younger person found them and tried to do research on them, what would they find? Little to nothing.

What does that mean? It probably means the younger person thought they had no value and threw them out and NOBODY heard about this and went looking for them.

Now, if one or two of these cards had been talked about and listed in a price guide somewhere, like the Fans Cigarette cards, there would be at least SOME info out there which a person looking could find.

My guess is once these cards are auctioned off, somebody, somewhere will hear or read about it and bring THEIR cards out, like what happened with the Butter Cream Babe Ruth card that was auctioned off a few years ago. A guy read about the price the card sold for and realized he had one in a box at his parents house or something like that.

David

[danmckee]

Yes both of you have valid points. Thanks Barry, I knew you didn't hate me. If these bring Butter Cream Ruth money then you are correct, there will be more hitting the auction block immediately - mine.

[barrysloate]

Dan- you didn't really think I would hate you because you preferred some privacy? Now I would have to be a little nuts to do that (which I am anyway).

[ctownboy]

Continuing my thoughts on uncatalogued cards.

In the mid 1990's, I bought 16 Star Player Candy cards at a paper show for very little money (I missed out on a Ruth and Gehrig because I didn't know what these cards were. The dealer was asking more for those two because they were "big names" and I, as a poor college student, didn't have the money to make a mistake on them if they were fakes or reprints). Anyway, one of the cards was of Buddy Myer.

Up until I found the old board and listed my find, the Buddy Myer card was uncatalogued and the set of 1928 Star Player Candy cards SEEMED complete at 72. Which, when you think about it, IS a nice round number and would be EASY to print sheets of cards for. However, with Buddy Myer making the set total at least 73, it brings into question how many cards there really are for a COMPLETE set.

It also brings into question whether maybe the baseball and football cards were printed together and were considered one set when issued back in 1928.

David

[ctownboy]

Dan,

I am not saying they will bring Butter Cream Ruth money (though that would be great for you) I am just saying that maybe if 10 or 20 years ago you would have given some info about these cards to a publisher of a price guide then maybe some more would have come out of the woodwork and you could have bought them for little or no money (like you did with the one on eBay).

Now, it seems, if you want to add some to your collection, you are going to have to really pay for them.

Again, just my two cents and not putting you down for keeping them secret for so many years.

David

[paul]

Any educated guesses on how much the Grove will sell for?

Also, I'm not sure if anyone else mentioned this. But based on Dan's ad, this is not the same Tip Top bread company that issued the D322s.

[danmckee]

I appreciate your opinion David, no worries, everything you stated makes good sense.

I think the Groves will bring $10K to $15K

dan

[hugginsandscott]

the Grove(s) and the other 13 cards in a single lot in our upcoming auction are available for viewing on our website.

Go to: www.hugginsandscott.com

In the search by lot # box on the left side, enter "723" or "724" (without the quotation marks). The lot of 13 is lot #723 and the Grove is lot #724.

I hope this helps anyone who was looking for them (and thank you Danny, for all of your help).
Josh Wulkan
Vice President
Huggins and Scott Auctions