1921 Baltimore Orioles Tip top Bread.

[danmckee]

I do see your side Barry, but I have been paying extra money for years for stuff cause I get beat up with "its uncataloged". This is a long going debate and I know I am in the minority on this board but I have several long time collectors that agree with me that are not on this board.

[danmckee]

Remember, I am sharing the ad piece with the board, Lyman for Oldcardboard and Huggins and Scott. I could keep that hush hush as well but it does bring validity to the issue.

[barrysloate]

If I found an uncatalogued set of cards I would write an article about them and share it with the hobby. I don't see how publicizing them hurts their value. If nobody has them but you they are going to be worth a fortune.

What could hurt their value, however, is another find, which is the case here.

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by danmckee

I do see your side Barry, but I have been paying extra money for years for stuff cause I get beat up with "its uncataloged". This is a long going debate and I know I am in the minority on this board but I have several long time collectors that agree with me that are not on this board.

I understand why Dan does this. If he's still in the market to buy these going forward, publicizing their existence may run the prices up.

If he were in the market to sell, it would be understandable to handle it differently.

I have no problem with a collector handling it either way.

[danmckee]

Thank you Jim.

[Anthony S.]

Gettin' more and more curious as to what these cards actually look like...

[danmckee]

I have a scan of the ad

I will scan a few cards

then if someone can post them for me as I can't figure out this new board

that would be great

[ctownboy]

Here is my two cents about uncataloqued cards especially unknown sets. It is best to at least get SOME information out into the public than keep quiet about them. My reasoning is this.

How many times, recently, have we heard about "finds" of Old Judge or T206 cards where an old person has died and a younger relative has found the cards? How many times did the younger person NOT know how valuable the cards were and either had to go to the internet and do research on them or, worse yet, sold them for little or nothing or threw them away (only to have somebody else hear about this and go searching through the garbage to find them again)?

Now imagine this happening with these 1921 Tip Top inserts.

With Old Judge and T206 cards, it is relatively easy to get onto the internet and do research about them. However, since the 1921 Tip Tops were only issued locally in Baltimore with bread, there weren't a lot made to begin with and probably very few remaining now. So, if an old person died and had some of these in a box in the attic or a scrapbook in the closet and a younger person found them and tried to do research on them, what would they find? Little to nothing.

What does that mean? It probably means the younger person thought they had no value and threw them out and NOBODY heard about this and went looking for them.

Now, if one or two of these cards had been talked about and listed in a price guide somewhere, like the Fans Cigarette cards, there would be at least SOME info out there which a person looking could find.

My guess is once these cards are auctioned off, somebody, somewhere will hear or read about it and bring THEIR cards out, like what happened with the Butter Cream Babe Ruth card that was auctioned off a few years ago. A guy read about the price the card sold for and realized he had one in a box at his parents house or something like that.

David

[danmckee]

Yes both of you have valid points. Thanks Barry, I knew you didn't hate me. If these bring Butter Cream Ruth money then you are correct, there will be more hitting the auction block immediately - mine.

[ctownboy]

Continuing my thoughts on uncatalogued cards.

In the mid 1990's, I bought 16 Star Player Candy cards at a paper show for very little money (I missed out on a Ruth and Gehrig because I didn't know what these cards were. The dealer was asking more for those two because they were "big names" and I, as a poor college student, didn't have the money to make a mistake on them if they were fakes or reprints). Anyway, one of the cards was of Buddy Myer.

Up until I found the old board and listed my find, the Buddy Myer card was uncatalogued and the set of 1928 Star Player Candy cards SEEMED complete at 72. Which, when you think about it, IS a nice round number and would be EASY to print sheets of cards for. However, with Buddy Myer making the set total at least 73, it brings into question how many cards there really are for a COMPLETE set.

It also brings into question whether maybe the baseball and football cards were printed together and were considered one set when issued back in 1928.

David

[danmckee]

I do not own Lefty Grove, sorry.

[Leon]

If you can put something on ebay this board is way easier...really. All you do to add a scan is go to the little box of words at the bottom of a post that say "manage attachments"...click on it....it will pull up a little box automatically and from there you can see where it says "browse"...that is where you browse for the scan you want to post..whether it's in your "my documents" folder, "my pictures" folder or elsewhere..when you see the one you want just click on it, it goes into the the little box and upload it......it's just that easy. It takes about 10 seconds.....or you can just send them to me at leonl@flash.net and I will do it for you .

[danmckee]

ok cool, I have been trying to add a picture to come up next to my name on posts and it always says invalid file or some crap like that.

I will try this, I didn't see the manage attachements below, sorry.

I am stressed and bummed cause I won't be able to win these cards in Huggins. I have offered my ad information and have told the auction house what they are.

I think I have helped the hobby a little.

I have also wrote articles in the past for VCBC, I liked that magazine better even though delivery was sporatic.

The size articles I write go into Lyman's news letters like the US Caramel wrapper where VCBC would have done a page for me.

I wrote an article on the 4 variations of the 1938 Goudey Lombardi low number. That was sharing.

I really am not as bad as Barry makes me out to be.

Dan

[Rich Klein]

But as they said at the end of Easy Rider (You Blew it). You have just discovered the down side of keeping hobby information secret. Now, sometimes doing that work, such as when Larry Fritsch gathered a couple of the Doyle errors but in 95 percent of the cases, publicity for an item is the winner for the seller.

I have discussed this on several occassions with several notable collectors/dealers during my Beckett days. There is no right or wrong answer to this. Instead, you took a reasonable risk and someone else now knows about those cards and they are not unique anymore. If you had the Grove; then perhaps I would have gotten the word out, but especially now that you have a major auction house in town, I'd make sure that anything you own is known by other hobbyists.

Regards
Rich