New evidence of T206 expanded 350/460 series cards

cfc1909 · #1 10-15-2009, 06:57 PM

Here is a Cycle and it too is pretty close

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Clayton-your Sovereign 460 is the regular forest green.

teetwoohsix · #2 10-15-2009, 11:29 PM

Thanks Jim,the photo does show somewhat lighter than looking at it in actuality.This is the only Sovereign backed card I have.I appreciate the help!!

tedzan · #3 10-16-2009, 09:30 AM

Can you enlarge your Malarkey scan to match Jim's CYCLE scan ?

Because I don't see a measurable difference in the gap between adjacent frames of the AMERICAN BEAUTY back vs. the
adjacent frames of the CYCLE back.

If there is no difference, then (as you said)......"ALC used the first pictured layout and made extra cuts to trim the cards
down the proper size and scrapped the little slits of paper".

The designs of all the various Tobacco back's framing width is 1 1/4 inches wide. Since the AB cards are trimmed down to
1 3/8ths inches wide, this may explain why ALC eliminated the FRAME in their subsequent 350/460 and 460-only AMERICAN
BEAUTY backs. On many cards, given the printing and cutting tolerances, the frame design was being partially cut out with
the narrower card.

The real mystery that still remains is....why the AB card's width were trimmed down an 1/8th inch ?

As, the AMERICAN BEAUTY packs contained 10 (standard size) cigarettes; therefore, they were no smaller in size than the
PIEDMONT, SWEET CAPORAL, etc.

TED Z

ethicsprof · #4 10-16-2009, 12:20 PM

Ted,
I have these packs and there is absolutely no difference in size.
The mystery of the reason for the smaller AB card remains---
but is most enticing!

great work

best,
barry

toppcat · #5 10-16-2009, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethicsprof

Ted,
I have these packs and there is absolutely no difference in size.
The mystery of the reason for the smaller AB card remains---
but is most enticing!

great work

best,
barry

Perhaps they were printed elsewhere? Just a WAG.

tedzan · #6 10-18-2009, 08:04 AM

How many T-card packs do you now have in your collection ?

Are you trying for all 16 brands included in the T206 issue ?

TED Z

ethicsprof · #7 10-18-2009, 05:17 PM

Thanks for asking ole buddy.
What i've been doing is framing T packs with favorite matching(time-wise)
cards. Thus far, I have Old Mill, American Beauty, Sweet Caporal,Drum(pouch)
(with the Drum card with most distinguished provenance alongside!), EPDG,
Piedmont, Hassan (202),Pirate(still dreaming),Helmar(332 stamp with glassine
envelope), 2 Recruits with the 2 different factories related to 207, Mecca
(201), Turkey Red (T3), and one NON-T "High Grade" waiting for the N184.
Almost forgot--an Egyptiennes Straight with a B18 blanket.
I'll never get all 16 T206s but will get as close as humanly possible(which is probably better said as 'financially possible') and with the expert assistance of good friend Jon Canfield along the way.
Are you doing the T206 packs here and there, Ted?

best,
barry

tedzan · #8 10-18-2009, 09:02 PM

I listed your T-packs in the following order....as, they appear more impressive. I hope that's fine with you.

American Beauty
Drum(pouch)......(with the Drum card)
El Principe de Gales
Hassan......T202
Helmar......(332 stamp)
Kimball......1883 pack
Mecca......T201
Old Mill
Piedmont
Pirate......T215 (British issue)
Recruit......2 different factories related to T207
Sweet Caporal
Turkey Red......T3
__________________________________________________ _____________________________________

I only have these two T-packs......to complement my T206 Piedmont set

Piedmont (ATC factory 25 VA)
Piedmont (L&M factory 42 NC)

I'm looking for the following T-packs to complement my 4 additional T206's......

American Beauty (factory 42 NC)......near complete AB 460 subset (61 cards)

Sovereign......complete (407 cards)

Sweet Caporal (factory 30)......minus Plank & Wagner (otherwise 467 cards complete)

Sweet Caporal (factory 649)......complete subset of 35 cards

Best regards ole buddy

TED Z

ethicsprof · #9 10-18-2009, 10:25 PM

Many thanks,Ted.
I do like your list of my T-wares!!!
I notice that the Pirates pack is missing from the list---
since it's a T215, do you think it should be counted.
Or do you leave out the ole T215 since it was distributed in Europe rather than here in the US.
the price of the card was a bit much for me, so i framed the Pirates alone.

i'll keep my eyes open for the packs that you need.
please keep your eyes open for me,as well.
by the way, i've seen some nice sovereign's but they tend to be way outside
the T206 date range.

best,
barry

ethicsprof · #10 10-18-2009, 11:32 PM

I should offer the additional information, as you have done:

American Beauty 1905,2nd of VA,fact.25
Drum 1910,4th of NC,fact.39
EPDG 1909, 2nd of VA, fact.17
Hassan 1912 1st of NY,fact. 649
Helmar 1901 3rd of NY fact.7
Mecca 1911 1st of NY,fact. 649
Old Mill 1910 2nd of VA fact.25
Piedmont 1910 2nd of VA fact.25
Recruit 1912 Maryland fact. 606
Recruit 1917 Penn. fact. 240
Sweet Caporal 1910 4th of NC fact. 30
Turkey Red 1911 3rd of NY fact. 7

all the best,
Barry

tedzan · #11 10-19-2009, 09:42 AM

I addended my list of your packs to include your PIRATE pack. That pack is significant; and,
I don't know why I left it out of the original list.

Anyhow, regarding your......
"one NON-T "High Grade" waiting for the N184."

I'm not sure I understand, are you referring to a Kimball's pack ?

TED Z

P.S.......I just clicked onto Net54 and noticed that you posted your list.

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