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Old 10-08-2009, 09:10 AM
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BUYER BEWARE !

The last 1949 Bowman pack (approx. 8 years ago) was a FAKE. I won it off ebay and was excited to open it.

My excitement instantly turned to disappointment, as it was obviously gimmicked up......

1st....it had a skinny slab of Topps gum in it (Bowman bubble gum was the same size as the cards).

2nd....the 5 cards in it were from 4 different series in the 1949 set (a real NO-NO).

3rd....and, the condition of the 5 cards ranged from Vg to ExMt.


I confronted the seller with this and he didn't want to hear it. He claimed he won this "unopened" pack from a
well-known Auction house.

Furthermore, ebay's Safe Harbor mediator ruled in favor of the seller. And, you don't want to know the details
of how the mediator arrived at that judgment....as they were outrageous.


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Old 10-08-2009, 09:19 AM
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Sadly, the fakes are all around. I recall buying a 1969 cello, first series, from Darren Prince at the 1992 Atlanta national. I got the itch and opened it. Not only did I get all commons, not even Nr Mintish, but THREE OF THE CARDS HAD WAX STAINS ON THE FRONT. Kinda hard to do in a CELLO PACK, don't you think?

Im sorry you got gypped on your purchase as well sir.
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Old 10-08-2009, 10:06 AM
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That would be another reason I would avoid buying high dollar packs. Not only is it a total gamble if you will pull anything worthwhile, it's hard telling if it has been doctored or not. I totally forgot I had bought a 1956 Topps 1 cent pack and it had a Ted Williams in it, but both PSA and SGC rejected it for evidence of trimming. The guy I bought it from said he was the original owner and did give me my money back. The card measured properly so I have no idea what was wrong.

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Old 10-09-2009, 01:49 PM
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Wow, a fake cello pack?! That's pretty hard to create I would think. I guess you gotta give the guy credit for being able to fake those. Sorry you got ripped off though.
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Old 10-09-2009, 02:55 PM
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While the experience is not my own, I do know an unopened Old Judge cigarette pack was opened at a show, yielding an OJ card which I believe PSA graded a 10. May Jay Miller can chime in?
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Old 10-10-2009, 12:28 PM
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I still have some unopened Topps 1980 Thirst Break gum packs I would be glad to send you if you want to try them. I think they started out orange. They are a little green now, but still very juicy. And when to goo is all removed ( licked clean ?) you get that great sports comic

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Hey Al,

Thanks for the offer but I beat you to it. I bought a box and put together a set a few years ago (with some help from Dave), they are not distributed very well...at all. It was the mess from hell for about a week, everything was sticky. I popped one of those orange goo things in my mouth and chewed....almost lost it on that one.

For all cards...I opened a wax-paper pack set of 1936 Useful Birds of America. They didn't seem so useful but still have them.

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Old 10-17-2009, 08:41 AM
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I have opened several 1975 Topps mini packs, a 75 O pee chee pack and will probably do more in the future. Ideally I would like to sit down and open a whole box. I have pulled some HOF but they have all been off center which is very common for this set. At least it is 10 cards but more often then not I get 10 commons. Still since I am building the set it's ok.

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While the experience is not my own, I do know an unopened Old Judge cigarette pack was opened at a show, yielding an OJ card which I believe PSA graded a 10. May Jay Miller can chime in?
Is this what you are referring to (2nd from top)? http://www.bmwcards.com/PSAbaseball.htm
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1933 Sport Kings.

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Ugh.
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Is this what you are referring to (2nd from top)? http://www.bmwcards.com/PSAbaseball.htm
That's it Daryl. I have never heard of another Old Judge pack being opened and/or yielding a card in recent times.
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Default Mediators....Outrageous??

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BUYER BEWARE !

The last 1949 Bowman pack (approx. 8 years ago) was a FAKE. I won it off ebay and was excited to open it.

My excitement instantly turned to disappointment, as it was obviously gimmicked up......

1st....it had a skinny slab of Topps gum in it (Bowman bubble gum was the same size as the cards).

2nd....the 5 cards in it were from 4 different series in the 1949 set (a real NO-NO).

3rd....and, the condition of the 5 cards ranged from Vg to ExMt.


I confronted the seller with this and he didn't want to hear it. He claimed he won this "unopened" pack from a
well-known Auction house.

Furthermore, ebay's Safe Harbor mediator ruled in favor of the seller. And, you don't want to know the details
of how the mediator arrived at that judgment....as they were outrageous.


TED Z

Just brought back a BAD memory (fortunatley with a decent ending)- I purchased a magazine described as near mint with Marilyn Monroe on the cover - when it arrived, in addition to the staples being rusted, the cover was actually seperated from the magazine!! At the time it went to the ebay insurer - I will not bore you with more details - but after the insurance co approved the claim, then denied the claim, and I pursued it at length, I ended up with reimbursement and the magazine - idiots!
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Nice job on the old '54 FB rip, Michael. That is pretty cool. I believe that nowadays the gum is so small it's not even there, but I don't know that for sure . I know I ripped '68 thru '73 packs, as a kid.

I guess I could rip this one from 1938 and see who's in it .

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Very nice Jon.

If you have a party maybe you can light one up and pass it around
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Old 01-20-2010, 02:53 PM
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Default I dunno Jon,...

but that card looks trimmed to me!


(actually, very cool...thanks for sharing that one)

some wicked good centering on that one...
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Old 01-22-2010, 01:26 PM
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Actually - I must confess, I was not the original person to open the pack. The card and pack were opened, and then sold to me as such. It's actually a little unfortunate - I would have LOVED for that pack to stay unopened.
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