New evidence of T206 expanded 350/460 series cards

[tedzan]

This thread without a list of the T206 cards in the 350/460 series is not complete..........
so here is the checklist of all 66 subjects.

List of intended 5 subjects (from 350 series) that were not extended into the 460 series:

Joe Doyle
Kleinow (catching NY))
Nicholls (bat))
Rhoades (arm extended)
Frank Smith (white hat)

Checklist of the 61 subjects (from 350 series) that were extended into the 460 series:

Ames (hands over head)
Baker..............................HOF
Bender (no trees)..............HOF
Berger
Bradley (bat)
M. Brown (Chicago)............HOF
Burch (fielding)
Chance (yellow potrait).......HOF......super-print
Chase (blue portrait)......................super-print
Chase (dark cap)...........................super-print
Cobb (red portrait).............HOF......super-print
Cobb (bat off)...................HOF
Conroy (bat)
Davis (A's)
Crawford (bat)...................HOF
Donlin (bat)
Doolan (bat)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (bat)
Doyle (bat)
Elberfeld (Wash.-fielding)
Evers (bat-yellow sky).........HOF.....super-print
Griffith (bat)......................HOF
Jennings (one hand)............HOF
Jennings (two hands)..........HOF
Johnson (pitching)..............HOF
Jordan (bat)
Joss (pitching)...................HOF
Konetchy (glove low)
Lajoie (bat).......................HOF
Lake (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Magee (bat)
Manning (pitching)
Mathewson (dark cap).........HOF.....super-print
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chi)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)
Murphy (bat)
O'Leary (hands/knees)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
Reulbach (no glove)
Rucker (bat)
Seymour (throwing)
Snodgrass (catching)
Stahl (glove)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Street (catching)
Sweeney (fielding)
Tinker (bat off)..................HOF
Wagner (bat on right)
White (pitching)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Willis (bat)........................HOF
Willis (throwing).................HOF
Wiltse (throwing)
CYoung (glove)..................HOF


TED Z

[toppcat]

Great thread Ted!

[jimonym]

Hi Ted.

Very nice find on Doyle, Nicholls, and Rhoades. I love coming to this board and finding insights like that. Freely shared, too.

I'd preface this all with a big Probably, but one implication is that these five cards, like the other 350-460 cards, were among the last 350 series cards designed and distributed. I mean, if we go on the presumption that the reason some 350 series cards were also part of the 460 series is that their period of production overlapped both series.

I still have more research to do, but I firmly believe that the 350 series was actually several waves of releases. The first 350 cards were those that had been first produced as 150 series cards, and the Southern Leaguers that we've previously identified as having been in the first batch of Southern League cards released. Then probably some of the Eastern League and American Association players and the rest of the Southern Leaguers and some of the Major Leaguers and then some more of each, and finally, those 350 series cards that were released again with 460 series cards and backs.

One day we'll have to have a proper thread on that topic, because understanding the sequence will help unlock two other T206 conundrums: the "logic" behind front/back combinations, and the way that the cards were laid out on sheets for printing. Well, they're all intertwined -- unlock one and you unlock them all.

[toppcat]

Originally Posted by jimonym

Hi Ted.

One day we'll have to have a proper thread on that topic, because understanding the sequence will help unlock two other T206 conundrums: the "logic" behind front/back combinations, and the way that the cards were laid out on sheets for printing. Well, they're all intertwined -- unlock one and you unlock them all.

I'm not sure the sheet arrays will ever be known but Ted is zeroing in on how many cards were designed for each series and then printed with each brand. I suspect the "sheet logic" is really "pretzel logic" .

[tedzan]

Jamie

Very well stated, and here's one for you to ponder......are the 6 super prints with SOVEREIGN backs the very first
350/460 subjects ?


The 6 super-prints with SOVEREIGN 350 backs are moderately tough to find.









And, the same 6 super-prints with SOVEREIGN 460 backs are very scarce.












TED Z

[tedzan]

Dave H

Thanks for the nice words, guy.

Regarding the subject of T206 sheets, this mystery is very puzzling to me......100 years later and all we have is a 5-card proof strip
of T206's as evidence of any semblance of a multi-card sheet or panel !

While we have uncovered complete (or partial) uncut sheets of most major BB card issues in the 20th century (e.g., all 10 complete
1933 Goudey sheets), it's very unusual that not even some thing as basic as an uncut 6-card array of T206's has surfaced.

Very....very strange, I say !

Regards,

TED Z

[toppcat]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Dave H

While we have uncovered complete (or partial) uncut sheets of most major BB card issues in the 20th century (e.g., all 10 complete
1933 Goudey sheets), it's very unusual that not even some thing as basic as an uncut 6-card array of T206's has surfaced.

Very....very strange, I say !

Regards,

TED Z

I still have hopes that someone will rip the walls out of a 1912 built house someday and find a few dozen sheets acting as insulation. That happened with some movie posters in PA years ago and they were worth a fortune.

[Doug]

I always enjoy reading these threads. I swear I have so much knowledge dropped on me at one time I feel smarter after reading them! Thanks for sharing the info. Even though I don't collect T206s they are amazing reads!

[green rhino123]

Great information. I have the Snodgrass (catching) in Sov 350 and wondered why it was much lighter than the rest...

[tedzan]

Snodgrass (catching) is certainly one of the 61 cards in the 350/460 series. So, your observation is correct
on the light colored back of this card.

Best regards,

TED Z