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10-04-2009, 08:40 AM
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Welcome to the boards Joe!
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10-04-2009, 10:19 AM
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I would like to help your help in understanding how these old stubs can be pinned down to a year using MVSNYC's undated Polo Grounds ticket for the 27th home game of the season. In 1919, the 27th home game was played on June 29th (a 5-3 loss to the Red Sox). A doubleheader was played on June 28th, but presumably the game number on MVS's stub would have reflected that. However, I have a similar stub for game #31...which in 1919 would have been the second game of a doubleheader played on July 4th...so I think we can eliminate 1919 if we assume the club didn't sell tickets to the two games separately. In 1920, the 27th home game would have been the second game of a doubleheader on June 2nd...so I would think we can eliminate 1920. In 1921, the 27th home game was played on June 15th (a 7-2 loss to the White Sox). The 31st home game was a single game played on June 24th, so 1921 is a possibility. In 1922, the 27th home game was played on May 23rd (an 11-3 loss to the Browns). The 31st game was the front half of a doubleheader played on May 30; that would seem to make 1922 also a possibility. So it would seem that this stub dates to 1921 or 1922. Am I correct to assume that the Yankees would not have printed separate tickets for the second games of doubleheaders?
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10-04-2009, 10:27 AM
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Hey Rick, can you pinpoint this one for me?
This is suppose to be a very significant ticket. Can the Great Poobah be of help?
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10-04-2009, 11:33 AM
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Oldtix- thanks for your input regarding my yankees stub...very interesting research (what website did you find this out?)...i am, however, a bit unclear why the doubleheader the day before the 27th game, eliminates it from being a 1919 stub, same goes for 1920...can you further elaborate? what am i missing?
thx! Last edited by MVSNYC; 10-04-2009 at 11:55 AM.
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10-04-2009, 12:55 PM
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The info about the prior day's DH in 1919 really didn't have anything to do with the conclusion...it probably should have been edited out. Whether the Yankees printed separate tickets for game 25 and game 26 (the DH games) wouldn't change the need to print one for game 27. The point of my question...and the basis for my conclusion that 1920 was eliminated...was that a club would NOT have printed a second game ticket. Before night games started in 1935, I don't think fans attending doubleheaders were required to leave the stadium after the first game. Without that requirement, there's no way to know which fans only purchased a game one ticket in order to evict them before game two. I think that a fan wishing to attend the second game (only) would have been sold the "game one" ticket at the ticket office, saving the club printing costs. If that logic is correct, there would be no printed "game two" tickets for pre-1935 doubleheaders (later twi-nights were handled differently, of course). Did fans pay double price for doubleheaders? I don't know. We should be able to eliminate any year in which either game 27 was the back-half of a doubleheader...and that was the case in 1920. If the teams did print separate tickets for game two, my theory is all wet. And now: "Upon further review..."  I was relying on my computerized inventory of my own Yankees Polo Grounds ticket. Lo and behold, I pulled it out and it's for game 34, not 31...oops. That puts 1919 back into play as a possibility for your ticket. My ticket could be 1919, 1920, 1921 or 1922...all single games. Damn...the Babe didn't go yard in any of them!
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10-04-2009, 12:56 PM
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10-04-2009, 01:27 PM
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i'm getting it now...thanks!
also, what's interesting, both of our tickets have a "war tax"...the war was from 1914-1918, but obviously our tickets are both post-1918 (based on the mention of a december 1918 ordinance)...so why the war tax after the war?
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10-04-2009, 02:35 PM
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I'm sure one of the trained legal minds on the board will explain it better than I can.
First, we have to suspend disbelief and remember that there was a time in this country when we expected to repay national debt! Imagine that... The war tax was a tax on all amusements...theatre, sports, etc...to pay off the debts created through sales of Liberty bonds and war stamps related to the costs of waging the First World War. It was applied to baseball against tremendous resistance...principally because it eliminated the long-traditional "two-bit" bleacher seat. The tax added a nickel to the cheapest seats (25 cents) and the lords of baseball proclaimed there would be mass confusion trying to make change for thousands of fans. The more cynical observers predicted that bleacher seats would soon rise to 50 cents. The words "War Tax" were replaced by "Tax Paid" on later Yankee tickets. I don't know when the official War Tax was ended, but in essence they just changed the addressee on the payments.
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