T206 Demmitt & O'Hara....are they 350-only Series cards ?

cfc1909 · #1 10-02-2009, 04:54 PM

this board can be great and is most of the time but I guess once in a while these threads turn from great information into throwing darts.

gas and tolls to Philly-$50

hotel for 2 nights- $215

my half of the table for 3 days- $350

hanging out with Ted and talking cards all weekend- priceless

tedzan · #2 10-02-2009, 09:21 PM

Yes, we had a great time at the Valley Forge show last weekend. Although we didn't sell too much cardboard.
But, we sure had a lot fun "talkin baseball" (cards). You and I and Ron Oser.

Then the Wonka man arrived on Sunday and we had a ball discussing 19th Century cards (BB & Non-Sports),
and T206's, and 1947 BB and Movie Stars cards.

Thanks,

TED Z

tedzan · #3 10-20-2009, 05:00 PM

The current thread...."New evidence of T206 expanded 350/460 series cards"....reveals the significance of the various shades of GREEN
colored backs found on the T206 SOVEREIGN cards. These color variations are not due to any random effects (i.e., fading, wear, etc.)
Cards, whose backs are "candy apple green", accurately delineate the 350/460 subjects from the other series in the SOVEREIGN issue.
The "forest green" colored backs clearly identify the 350-only series cards.

Regarding the "candy apple green" cards......This 1st group of cards shown here with this shade of green backs are 5 subjects from the
350 series that American Lithographic (ALC) planned to extend into the 350/460 series. Two of them (Kleinow and Smith) were extended
into the 460 series (reflecting their trades). The other 3 were not....since their major league careers ended prior to the 350/460 release
in Summer/Fall of 1910.

Joe Doyle........................traded to Cinci.(May 1910); career ends June 25, 1910
Red Kleinow (NY)..............traded to Boston May 1910
Simon Nicholls (bat)..........traded to Clev (spring 1910); career ends May 1910
Bob Rhoades (arm ext.)......career ends Summer of 1909
Frank Smith (white cap).....traded to Boston in the Summer of 1910.

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Some examples of "candy apple green" backs featuring HOFer's from the "350/460" series cards.

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..............350-only back for comparison
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From this discovery, it can be concluded, with 100% certainty, that the O'Hara (NY); and therefore, its St Louis variation were strictly
part of the 350-only series.

The Demmitt (NY) does NOT exist with any SOVEREIGN back. Since the O'Hara (NY) & (St Louis) cards have been proven to be 350-only
series cards by virtue of the color code of the SOVEREIGN backs......then it follows that the Demmitt (St Louis) is also a 350-only series
card. As both of these St Louis variations were printed in the same POLAR BEAR press run.

TED Z

wonkaticket · #4 10-21-2009, 12:08 AM

Wow Ted that's some digging, good job.

Also it may be easy...but I have to say that's the first Sovreign backed O'Hara I think I've ever seen...how tough was that to find?

Like I said could be easy but upon seeing it I started to think back and I dont think I remember one in my collecting days.

Cheers,

John

tedzan · #5 10-21-2009, 08:54 AM

Thanks guy for your kind words; and especially, for sharing with us your amazing T206 find (Post #35), which included the rare Demmitt
and O'Hara cards.

To your........
"Also it may be easy...but I have to say that's the first Sovreign backed O'Hara I think I've ever seen...how tough was that to find?"

The O'Hara (NY) card exists with only 4 (or 5) T-brand backs. Of course the PIEDMONT 350 is easy to find. The SWEET CAP 350/30 is
less seen....and, the CYCLE 350 is not often seen. The SOVEREIGN 350 is seldom seen. Also, a SWEET CAP 350/25 possibly exists, but
I've never seen it.

In the course of completing my all-SOVEREIGN set (407 cards), the Red Cobb with a 460 back was the very last card that I acquired.

This O'Hara was one of the last cards on my wantlist. For a long time, I thought O'Hara was a No-Print......since, I already knew that
Demmitt (NY) was a No-Print.
FYI, there are 64 no-prints in the 350-only series of the SOVEREIGN set.

Best regards ole buddy....and, hope to see you at the December Philly Show.

TED Z

ethicsprof · #6 10-21-2009, 01:32 PM

Very well researched and nuanced work!
Now, we have to find a Sovereign pack for you!

all the best,

barry

tedzan · #7 10-23-2009, 06:56 AM

I certainly would like to have SOVEREIGN and AMERICAN BEAUTY (Factory 42) packs to complement my sets.

Can you give me Jon C's email address ?

T-Rex TED

tedzan · #8 10-25-2009, 10:46 AM

Your O'Hara with the SOVEREIGN 350 back is only the 4th one that I have seen.

A really tough front/back combo. So, I'm not surprised that Wonka hasn't seen one.

Best regards ole buddy.

TED Z

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