Possible newly discovered T205 variation

[Wite3]

My thoughts on the mater....
The Doc White is a variation of the text. It is found on one advertiser.

The big differences here is the perception that it is somehow rare. It is not. It is common. Both ways are fairly common.

The Wilhelm was short printed greatly. This is what causes the value differences. Not the variations. (Same with the Demmit/O'Hara cards in T206s...it is not the variation that causes the value increase it is the print run). Many team, pose variations exist in the T206 and the value is the same for them unless they were short printed or rare.

I personally do not do the registry thing but I feel that if the T205 Matty or White is listed with the advertising type on the slip then that is all you will need. Sounds like people are trying to create value for their sets where none really exists.

Joshua

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Wite3

(Same with the Demmit/O'Hara cards in T206s...it is not the variation that causes the value increase it is the print run).

IMO with Demmitt & O'Hara it's exactly the variation that causes the value increase; there are many other Polar Bear T206s that are only printed in the laster series like the Demmitt and O'Hara and are equally as shortprinted, but carry little to no premium because their text is identical to their Piedmont version. People chasing the T206 master set drive the price of the Demmitt and O'Hara and likewise do/will with the T205 Wilhelm, Matty and to a lesser extent Latham and White when they are cataloged as part of a complete master set.

[marcdelpercio]

Originally Posted by Wite3

The Wilhelm was short printed greatly. This is what causes the value differences. Not the variations. (Same with the Demmit/O'Hara cards in T206s...it is not the variation that causes the value increase it is the print run).

Joshua,
You make some very good points and I certainly respect all of the research you have done on this set. I do have to slightly disagree with your analysis, however, that it is not the variation that causes the value.

To use the T206 Demmitt and O'Hara example, these cards had the same print run as all other Polar Bear 350 only series cards and are presumably equally scarce. If not for the variation (team change), these cards would be looked at as commons, just as the other PB 350 only series cards. Conversely, if it was only the print run that determined the value, all other PB 350 series T206's would command similar values as the Demmitt and O'Hara. Clearly, in this case it is strictly the variation that causes the increased demand and thus, higher value.

I think the same principle applies to some of the T205 variations. While I do not believe the T205 Doc White (no quotes) variation is very scarce or valuable, I do believe that it will command a premium as, by your own tracking numbers, it appears to be about 2-3 times as scarce in total as the other version.

[Mrc32]

Great thread. Another reason I enjoy this set so much.

[Wite3]

Just to clarify...the Polar Bear advertising is the most commonly found back on Doc White in my research. It is not scarce.

Joshua

[marcdelpercio]

Joshua,
As purely a back variation regardless of brand advertisement, the "no quotes" variation IS scarcer. Your numbers noted that you have tracked 29 Polar Bear backs (which are all the "no quotes" version) and 22, 17, 11, and 13 respectively of the other backs, all of which have the quotes. So the total of "no quotes" versus "quotes" is 29 to 63, thus making it 2-3 times scarcer as a back variation.

[Wite3]

Oh, you are correct when you look at it that way...I stand corrected.

Joshua

[Sterling Sports Auctions]

If you want to pay a premium for the card it is your right whether it is a variation or what ever you think. If some book tells you it is a variation makes you feel better then you have a fight. If you own some of these cards you obviously keep the fight up to keep them in the forefront.

I currently own 25% of all the T202 backs of a certain variation that I have been able to track. Not many seem to give a rats ass about them but I don't care, I can buy them cheaper when I see them and then maybe some day if I want to sell them I will make more noise about them and hopefully it will raise awareness and drive the prices up.

It all comes down to each individuals wants, needs, and perceptions.

Lee