Possible newly discovered T205 variation

[marcdelpercio]

Thanks for the reply and the data Joshua. That seems to confirm that it is in fact a variation. I'm surprised that nobody has outed it until now. I didn't figure it would command much of a value premium as the Polar Bear backs seem to be relatively common throughout the set. It is interesting that you haven't noted any other backs besides the four I mentioned. I wonder if this card exists with any other backs.

[marcdelpercio]

egbeachley,
So do you feel that the other print variations mentioned in this thread by myself and Joshua should also not be considered variations? Most if not all of those only occur with one back.

[egbeachley]

Originally Posted by marcdelpercio

egbeachley,
So do you feel that the other print variations mentioned in this thread by myself and Joshua should also not be considered variations? Most if not all of those only occur with one back.

The Hoblitzel No Stats is definitely a variation. Same brand with 2 clearly defined differences where a change was made at the printers. Right?

I think the Suffered is more a printing error in that there wasn't a deliberate change in the typeset. But I can see a viewpoint of it being a collectible difference.

Think of it this way, when someone says they have a missing quotes variation of the "Doc", is the reply going to be "oh, you mean a regular Polar Bear back?"

[danmckee]

Are all of the Moran and Gray variations consistant with a specific back like the Wilhelm? Meaning is all brands of the back that these variations are found all have the variation? I thought the Moran and possibly Gray are found with both variations on the same brand back? I am not sure but I think this makes a huge difference as to scarcity and value. I don't think the Wilhelm Piedmont card should command an extra value at all. The Hassan back is much tougher to find for Wilhelm. Thanks, I think Joshua can answer this for me. Dan.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by danmckee

Are all of the Moran and Gray variations consistant with a specific back like the Wilhelm? Meaning is all brands of the back that these variations are found all have the variation? I thought the Moran and possibly Gray are found with both variations on the same brand back? I am not sure but I think this makes a huge difference as to scarcity and value. I don't theink the Wilhelm Piedmont card should command an extra value at all. The Hassan back is much tougher to find for Wilhelm. Thanks, I think Joshua can answer this for me. Dan.

I think everyone is in agreement that the White "no quotes" shouldn't carry any major premium.

[Wite3]

Dan and all,
The Gray with stats comes with only two backs...Piedmont Fact. 25 and Sovereign.
The Gray without stats comes Honest Long Cut, Polar Bear, and all three Sweet Cap. backs.

The Moran with stray line is found with Polar Bear only.
The Moran without stray line is found with American Beauty Black, Cycle, Drum, Honest Long Cut, Piedmont Fact. 25, Polar Bear, Sovereign, and Sweet Cap Red.

I can say that the Moran with stray line is more infrequent than that of the Gray w/ stats.

I also feel that the Moran was an error that was fixed and that Gray w/ stats was included in two later print runs.

Hopefully this answered Dan's question.

BTW...Gray no stats Piedmont is one of my mystery cards. I feel it should exist but it just does not. Strange.

Joshua

PS These lists my be incomplete as I am working off my paper list at home and not the computer one at work.

[marcdelpercio]

Joshua,
I would love to get a copy of your list if you are willing to share. I have owned and tracked quite a few T205s and have attempted to put together a master list myself though I'm sure your data is much more complete than mine. I'd be glad to add anything to your list that I'm able to. Thanks again for all of your research.

[lentel]

Originally Posted by Wite3

Dan and all,
The Gray with stats comes with only two backs...Piedmont Fact. 25 and Sovereign.
The Gray without stats comes Honest Long Cut, Polar Bear, and all three Sweet Cap. backs.

The Moran with stray line is found with Polar Bear only.
The Moran without stray line is found with American Beauty Black, Cycle, Drum, Honest Long Cut, Piedmont Fact. 25, Polar Bear, Sovereign, and Sweet Cap Red.

I can say that the Moran with stray line is more infrequent than that of the Gray w/ stats.

I also feel that the Moran was an error that was fixed and that Gray w/ stats was included in two later print runs.

Hopefully this answered Dan's question.

BTW...Gray no stats Piedmont is one of my mystery cards. I feel it should exist but it just does not. Strange.

Joshua

PS These lists my be incomplete as I am working off my paper list at home and not the computer one at work.

Josh my moran with stray line has a piedmont back

[martin neal]

Hi Josh,

Here's a scan of a Moran I used to own.