sfmays24 is a person of interest

[lsutigers1973]

Each transaction he claimed was delivered to the right city but not the right address. Each time he hinted that the mailman may have stolen each item.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by lsutigers1973

Each transaction he claimed was delivered to the right city but not the right address. Each time he hinted that the mailman may have stolen each item.

you didn't answer my question...

[bbcemporium]

Originally Posted by Matt

you didn't answer my question...

Matt, I could be wrong, but I believe even outside of eBay, if delivery confirmation cannot be proved, one can still file a reimbursement claim through PP for a transaction that includes the purchase of goods. The eBay buyer protection policy is more comprehensive however, and includes claims such as SNAD, etc.

edit: Looks like LSU beat me to it

[lsutigers1973]

If these were forum transactions, how did Paypal re-imburse him for non-receipt? I was under the impression Paypal buyer protection is only for eBay transactions; otherwise how does Paypal know the terms of teh transaction?

Paypal buyer protection does cover non-eBay transactions. The only way the buyer has zero coverage is if the money is sent thorugh one of the "personal" options. Plus, Paypal has little choice if a credit card chargeback is filed.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by lsutigers1973

Paypal buyer protection does cover non-eBay transactions. The only way the buyer has zero coverage is if the money is sent thorugh one of the "personal" options. Plus, Paypal has little choice if a credit card chargeback is filed.

Thanks - I had no idea. Seems like a huge hole in Paypal's policies as they have no way of validating the terms of the sale.

[Jantz]

Hello All,

If by now you haven't checked out the Net54 BST, then I will start by saying that I am currently in a trade with sfmays24/Mike. At this moment we have only discussed the trade and I was going to mail out the cards he wanted tomorrow. I am not sure if Mike mailed out the card that I wanted today or not. I PM'ed Mike just a few minutes ago and I am waiting for a reply from him.

After reading everything posted on this thread and reading all the posts submitted by our fellow collectors on the Collectors Universe message boards I have come to the conclusion that I am going to remain neutral in this situation and let Mike prove himself. I am extending Mike the same chance that I would extend any other board member here.

Mike posted on this thread earlier that he will mail first if that is what someone in a trade with him wishes for him to do. So I have asked Mike to mail my card first and offered a suggestion to him that it may be a wise decision to mail everything with delivery confirmation.

I will keep everyone informed as to what transpires from this point forward. Please keep in mind, I am trying to help all the board members here on this site and the collectors at CU also. I don't want anyone to get ripped off or... falsely accused. We have enough problems already with this hobby of ours.

Thanks,

Jantz

[lsutigers1973]

I think you are missing the point. It wasn't the fact that he didn't send anything (excpet for one occasssion which was mentioned earlier). The problem was that he always claimed he never received the cards despite the fact that the sender always had proof to say otherwise.

[Taxman]

I would suggest you do not buy, sale or trade with Mike. Back in January 2009, I sent him $25.00 via paypal for a SMR, and some vg 78's Murray and Molitor. I never received the cards and Mike didnt insure them. I filed a paypal claim and won but Mike closed his account and refused to refund me the money. Since it was a small purchase I just wrote it off until now. I had two bad transactions this year involving Mike Ortega(mays24) and Mike Wrenn(brookdodger55).

If you deal with either make sure they insure the package and you pay via paypal with a credit card.

Kirk

[BCauley]

Delivery Confirmation is great, but does not prove that the person received their cards. I have a couple of friends that work for the post office and each one states that the one true way to prove delivery to the intended person is by obtaining a signature.

A fellow trader on another site had conducted a trade. The card he was to receive had delivery confirmation and it actually stated online that the card was delivered with the time and everything. However, the person did not have the card in hand. As it turns out, the card was delivered to an older woman about two blocks away from his house. That woman was nice enough to deliver it to the proper address. And yes, the address on the envelope was correct for the intended person.

Human error still comes into play with delivery confirmation. Though a great tool, it is not fool proof.

[Ladder7]

We all know some card collectors, low or high-end, have the moral compass of a telemarketer, used car salesman or a tin man. There's simply too much on this guy to disregard.

"Our" BST is the most reliable venue for online trading as one could find on the web and in real life. Of course it's caveat emptor, but we also must be proactive in protecting the forums' excellent reputation.

There are dozens of trading sites. If it were my choice, I'd let him post on the Main to perhaps build a little trust. But, for now at least, let's encourage Mr. Ortega to knock on one of those other doors for trading. Steve F