Any Reaction to Legendary Auction Prices

[turtleguy64]

No offense taken by turtleguy.Richard,have you ever heard the story of what happened on a Vietnam tour of major league all stars back in the late stages of that war,involving Bob Gibson and Graig Nettles?

[RichardSimon]

No I have never heard that story.

[Rich Klein]

Was that since Legendary has a need to be super transparent in their auction process; that for future catalogs; ANY and all reserves need to be stated in both their catalog and thus in their on-line descriptions.

Obviously; that should be true for all auction houses in that reserves should be announced immediately; however; in legendary's case, the past history of their preceeding company means they need to be even more cautious. I'm not stating that anything is wrong with this, as this is "standard auction and hobby procedure", but for legendary, the reserve should be annouced immediately.

In addition, the fact that the consigner was willing to take less than the reserve for an item; shows that not everything has to hit the reserve for an item to be sold.

This is just MOO in terms of what Legendary (because of their specific and public situation of their previous company) needs to do to keep the perception of themselves as good stewards for their consignors.

Rich

[calvindog]

I was in Chicago on business all day today and was sad I couldn't find a spare minute time to stop by Legendary and get a tour of the new facilities. Maybe next time.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I was in Chicago on business all day today and was sad I couldn't find a spare minute time to stop by Legendary and get a tour of the new facilities. Maybe next time.

Jeff - they were holding an appreciation party specifically for you,, how could you not make it?? .

[chiprop]

i would have bought you lunch. Should have called me.

[Reginald Marsh]

Lichtman......i'm shocked Legendary did not have a limo waiting for you at the airport. I'm sure they have you on the VIP list and cannot wait and explain how incredible the new and improved version is gonna be. I heard the new facility has a state of the art boardroom where the boys sit around and pre grade all cards with a new super censor computer hence the 42,000 dollar grading fee they just gave to one of their beloved consignors.

[turtleguy64]

Great true story which appeared in a recent book about black baseball superstars and the prejudice they experienced on the way to and during their big league careers.Gibson on that Vietnam tour with other big league stars in '70s.Mets travelling secretary arranged hotel accommodations for the group.Graig Nettles publicly berated Mets secretary for the hotel rooms they were booked into and ended his diatribe with a derogatory term usually directed at those of the Jewish persuasion.Gibson overheard this exchange and afterward warned Nettles that in the future should he ever come to bat against him on the field,he was going down on the first pitch.This is what we call a mench.That book is a must read but darn it...I cannot remember the name right now.I loved that Gibson story.

[RichardSimon]

Good guys = turtle guy, Bob Gibson, Hank Greenberg (Greenberg was one of the first to take a stand with Jackie Robinson).
"great guys" = Craig Nettles, miscellaneous Legendary persons.

[turtleguy64]

Thanks for including me in that company of real heroes but I'm not worthy of that class.Greenberg fought almost as much prejudice in his time as Jackie did due to his ethnic background.Remember he had 58 dingers one season and just got walked again and again as he approached the 60 hr plateau.Were the pitchers simply "protecting" the Babe ?

[sagard]

Originally Posted by turtleguy64

Thanks for including me in that company of real heroes but I'm not worthy of that class.Greenberg fought almost as much prejudice in his time as Jackie did due to his ethnic background.Remember he had 58 dingers one season and just got walked again and again as he approached the 60 hr plateau.Were the pitchers simply "protecting" the Babe ?

Babe was walked at a higher rate in most of his seasons compared to Greenberg during his massive season. I won't argue his getting discriminated against at the end, but over the course of the entire season I would argue he had more opportunities to hit than Ruth.

[thekingofclout]

Originally Posted by turtleguy64

Thanks for including me in that company of real heroes but I'm not worthy of that class.Greenberg fought almost as much prejudice in his time as Jackie did due to his ethnic background.Remember he had 58 dingers one season and just got walked again and again as he approached the 60 hr plateau.Were the pitchers simply "protecting" the Babe ?

Greenberg 1938 Season - AB-556 HR-58 BB-119

Babe Ruth 1927 Season _ AB-540 HR-60 BB-137

Plain and simple, the numbers don't lie.

I also don't buy into that "Greenberg fought almost as much prejudice in his time as Jackie did due to his ethnic background"

I don't think it was even close. As a matter of fact, Greenberg retired from the field to become the Cleveland Indians' farm system director and two years later, their general manager and part-owner along with Bill Veeck. During his tenure, he assembled more African American players than any other team executive in the Majors

I don't recall Jackie getting any offers quite like that after he retired unless you consider an executive position at "Chock full of Nuts" on par with being named Director of Farm Systems for a major league team and then two years later being named General Manager and PART OWNER for the same club.

So as anyone can plainly see, no case can be made whatsoever for the claim that "Greenberg fought almost as much prejudice in his time as Jackie did due to his ethnic background"