T206 OLD MILL survey......UPDATED

[White Borders]

When I count the cards in the list: "UPDATED......8/25/09......confirmed OLD MILL subjects = 300" I only get 299. Could someone with more fingers and toes than I have count them, and post your tally, please.

Even if it is off by one, Ted you've done another great service to the hobby!

Warmest Regards,
Craig

[jimonym]

Chris,
I have posted pictures of the full run of Old Mill ads on my website, http://www.jimonym.com

The captions on almost all the ads do indicate that there was more than one "baseball picture" in each package of cigarettes. I have seen the ad series run through the fall of 1910 in a Texas newspaper with the caption "Texas League baseball pictures" in each package. It's possible, but I'm skeptical, that T206 Southern League cards will still being distributed at that late date. I'd always taken those ads to be referring to the T210 Series 3 cards. The ads aren't clear, however, because they use the same artwork as earlier campaigns, including the same picture of a package of cigarettes with the same T206-looking card poking out the top.

[tedzan]

I concur with your.....
""I have seen the ad series run through the fall of 1910 in a Texas newspaper with the caption "Texas League
baseball pictures" in each package. It's possible, but I'm skeptical, that T206 Southern League cards will still
being distributed at that late date. I'd always taken those ads to be referring to the T210 Series 3 cards.""

This adv. had to be referring to T210's.


However, I'd say that T206 Southern League cards were most likely still appearing in PIEDMONT packs during
1910. And, I say this from my experience in 2 original T206 collections that I acquired in the past 4 years.....

1st......404 assorted cards....mostly PIEDMONT 150 (some 350) with 26 So. Lgrs....all 26 SL were OLD MILL.

2nd......220 diff. cards....PIEDMONT 150 and 350 with 19 SL OLD MILL cards.


Both of these original collections were primarily put together during 1909. My point here is that the OLD MILL
SL cards were issued in late 1909 and early 1910 (prior to the T210's).


TED Z

[tedzan]

Thanks for your Leifield input......I'll add him to the list in the next upgrade.


TED Z

[tedzan]

Adding the new Leifield input brings the total to 300.

Thanks,


TED Z

[tedzan]

So far we have 300 confirmed T206 (non-So. Lgr.) OLD MILL cards. And, the question is....how many T206 subjects
could have been printed with the OLD MILL back ?

I calculate that a maximum of 450 - T206's could have been printed with the OLD MILL back. I arrived at this number
by deduction......

Omit Lundgren (Cubs)

Omit the "Big Six"......Wagner, Plank, O'Hara, Magie, Doyle, Demmitt

Omit the "Elite Eight"....Dahlen (Boston), Ewing, Ganley, Jones (St Lo), Karger, Lindaman, Mullin (horiz), Schulte (front)

Omit the 11 - "150-only"....Ames (pitch), M. Brown (Cubs), G. Brown (Chi), Burch (bat), Donlin (field), L. Doyle (throw),
Evers (blue sky), Pattee, Pelty (horiz), Powers), Reulbach (glove)

Omit the 48 Southern Leaguers


Therefore, it is as simple as this...... 524 - 48 - 11 - 8 - 6 - 1 = 450 ......possible OLD MILL cards.

However, we know that there will be "No-Prints" (NP)....and, to date our survey is indicating that there are 150 NP.

TED Z

[jimonym]

Ted and others,
Here's a scan of the type Old Mill ad I mentioned. From the Palestine, Texas, Daily Herald, 9/9/09:



And here's a Piedmont ad, same paper, three days earlier:

[tedzan]

Here's the HINDU adv. from 1909 that 1st referred to the Southern Leaguer cards of which 2 were included in a HINDU pack.

It's only recently that we were able to ascertain that only 34 of the 48 Southern Lgrs. (SL) were printed with the HINDU back.

Subsequently, all 48 SL were printed with the OLD MILL backs. Then in 1910, all 48 SL were printed with the PIEDMONT backs.


Jamie......
Note that Breitenstein is pictured on both the HINDU and OLD MILL adv. But, his image in the HINDU adv. is reversed.









TED Z