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[Rich Klein]

[QUOTE=JBirkholm;741805]The poetry is part of something written by (I think) Grantland Rice. Fred Snodgrass quoted it in TGOTT. A great poem.

Funny you should mention Beiderbecke!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhXKRtqvI4c

Enjoy!

Rich

[barrysloate]

There is some actual performance footage of Bix; I know Ken Burns showed it in his jazz documentary. But of course there isn't much.

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

There is some actual performance footage of Bix; I know Ken Burns showed it in his jazz documentary. But of course there isn't much.

When Marty Appel was the PR guy for Topps; we were chatting about his King Kelly book (Must reading by the way for you 19th century types). He mentioned he had seen a photo on Burns' Baseball of Kelly he had never seen before. So he called up the office; asked about the photo and was told something to the effect of "Well, that is someone who looked like him, so we just ran with it"

I've never quite looked at those documentaries the same way since. Also; since the infamous (on SABR-L) board discussions about the inaccuracies either.

Rich

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

When Marty Appel was the PR guy for Topps; we were chatting about his King Kelly book (Must reading by the way for you 19th century types). He mentioned he had seen a photo on Burns' Baseball of Kelly he had never seen before. So he called up the office; asked about the photo and was told something to the effect of "Well, that is someone who looked like him, so we just ran with it"

I've never quite looked at those documentaries the same way since. Also; since the infamous (on SABR-L) board discussions about the inaccuracies either.

Rich

In Burns documentary of Jack Johnson they identified a photo of "Barbados" Joe Walcott as being of Sam Langford.

I'm pretty sure it was just an inadvertent mistake as there are plenty actual photos of Sam Langford out there.

Still a great documentary however.

[barrysloate]

Rich- I realize that there were some errors in all the Burns documentaries, but I know Bix Beiderbecke and I have seen footage of him.

I took a course in the 1970's at the New School in NYC called Jazz on Film. It was a great class and we saw footage of Bix, and Burns had the same one. I know my memory could be playing tricks but I think I'm right on this one. He died in 1931, which leaves a very small window for sound film, but like I said, it does exist.

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Rich- I realize that there were some errors in all the Burns documentaries, but I know Bix Beiderbecke and I have seen footage of him.

I took a course in the 1970's at the New School in NYC called Jazz on Film. It was a great class and we saw footage of Bix, and Burns had the same one. I know my memory could be playing tricks but I think I'm right on this one. He died in 1931, which leaves a very small window for sound film, but like I said, it does exist.

Sure beats The History of the English Language from 1500-1800

[barrysloate]

It was a cool class, and I didn't take it for credit, it was just for fun. It was taught by the late Dave Chertok, who amassed an encyclopedic archive of jazz on film. Ken Burns was very indebted to that collection for his documentary.

[slidekellyslide]

I like Burns Baseball, but there are some inaccuracies. I also think he should have included The Nebraska Indians who preceded and popularized some of the barnstorming antics the House of David and other barnstorming teams became famous for. But I may be biased.

[Hankphenom]

It was actually Bill Wambsganss reading Grantland Rice in the audio version of The Glory of Their Times, which I co-produced and edited with Neal McCabe. And speaking of mistakes, the most egregious in the Burns production was not using the real voices for his many quotes from GOTT. I've always suspected Burns of wanting the chance to hang out with the actors he has reading the bits, but nobody, and I mean NOBODY, could top the real guys Ritter captured on his tape recorder. Anybody who's listened to the set knows what I mean. And lastly, as a big Bix fan, I would love to see footage of him playing. I've always assumed none existed.

Here's the complete poem "The Way of the Game" as read by "Wamby" on GOTT:

Now summer goes and tomorrow's snows
Will soon be deep.
And skies of blue, which the summer knew
See shadows creep.
And the gleam tonight, which is silver bright
Spans ghostly forms.
As the winds rush by with their warning cry
Of coming storms.
So the laurel fades in the snow-swept glades
Of flying years.
As the dreams of youth find the bitter truth
Of pain and tears.
Through the cheering mass let the victors pass
To find fate's thrust.
As tomorrow's fame writes another name
On drifting dust.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Hank,

Sorry for my mistake on the Snodgrass/Wamby. I recall that Wambsganss said that he kept that poem in his wallet until it disintegrated.

[tedzan]

I really don't expect Chuck Connors cards to diminish in value in the near future. Forty years have passed since
his Movies/TV (Rifleman) days and the interest in his sportscards are still strong.

Another BB player turned actor....Mike "turkey trot" Donlin....100 years later and he still has quite a following.


TED Z