1949 Page's Pittsburgh Milk Co- new set

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

Was exactly the same as Teddy Z's

Rich

Anyone with a modicum of hobby intelligence knows these are similar to Bond Bread cards. A T206 Honus Wagner is worth a lot of money too....

[Rich Klein]

But in re-reading your post -- my instincts run more towards the NJ based original collector. Think about this -- 4 Baseball Players and 4 Boxers. HMMMM, didn't the original Bond Bread in 47 have a bunch of boxers in them.

I'm not saying these are bad or anything -- just saying --- it's just a different way of issuing that 1947 issue

Regards
Rich

[Bob Lemke]

Nice purchase, Leon, and thanks for sharing with the hobby.

Like many, many other "generic" sets that were appropriated by local/regional advertisers for promotional purposes (M101-4/5, W575-1, W514, 1959 Exhibits, etc.), this qualifies as a "new" set, at least in my way of thinking.

With your permission, I'll pick up your scans and data for the 2011 Standard Catalog. The presence of the promo card explaining the promotion clearly gives the issue legitimacy, but raises the question . . . which of the 48 cards was short-printed to avoid giving away bicycles?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Bob Lemke

Nice purchase, Leon, and thanks for sharing with the hobby.

Like many, many other "generic" sets that were appropriated by local/regional advertisers for promotional purposes (M101-4/5, W575-1, W514, 1959 Exhibits, etc.), this qualifies as a "new" set, at least in my way of thinking.

With your permission, I'll pick up your scans and data for the 2011 Standard Catalog. The presence of the promo card explaining the promotion clearly gives the issue legitimacy, but raises the question . . . which of the 48 cards was short-printed to avoid giving away bicycles?

Hey Bob
You know I will be more than happy to share everything I can about this new set with you. I am one of the open guys that likes to share. If the value goes down because of it, I don't care. I will send you scans of all of the cards in a private email. That way you can have them on file if anyone questions anything. One of the boxers is stamped in black. It makes me wonder if they just ran out of the more brightly colored purple ink or there was some other reason for the change. I have no idea on the "chase" card in the set. Heck, I doubt there are 20 of these cards known in the hobby. However, I am also not naive enough to think these are the only ones. If I had to guess I would say we will find other small groups of them as the hobby matures. kind regards

ps...I think a value of about $5000 each would be warranted (j/k)

[tedzan]

We can continue this debate; however, trust me....these cards were originally designed as premiums specifically for Bond Bread.

Their design date is the Summer of '46......as cards like Joe Gordon show him in a Yankees uniform. Joe was traded to Cleveland
in the Fall of '46.

Subsequently (sometime in 1948), these cards were available as premiums for other products.

TED Z

[slidekellyslide]

I don't think anyone disputes that Ted. Leon is simply posting about a "new" type card. Clearly the ad card is pretty solid proof that someone didn't just stamp up a few cards. It's a new set find IMO.

[tedzan]

The operative words here are...."new set"....but, it really cannot be classified as a "new set" ? ?

I say this because these cards are not only the identical pictures as the 1947 Bond Bread issue;
but, they have the beveled corners specifically designed to conform to the packaging of the Bond
Bread loafs.

This tells us that early in 1949, Page's Milk Co. acquired the EXACT cards from the Bond Bread
issue (unknown how or why) and used them for their purposes....therefore, I cannot agree with
you that it is a "new set".

If these cards were SQUARE cornered, then I would perhaps agree that these cards were speci-
fically meant as Page's Milk premiums.

TED Z

[Leon]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

I don't think anyone disputes that Ted. Leon is simply posting about a "new" type card. Clearly the ad card is pretty solid proof that someone didn't just stamp up a few cards. It's a new set find IMO.

Thanks Dan. That is exactly my point. These very well could have been made to be Bond Bread cards and I don't think we will ever know for positive if that was the intention OR if they were made to be distributed to other companies like Page Milk. This sort of reminds me of Sporting News M101s (4/5) and the myriad backs they have.

Ted- until you can show me something from the company that produced the cards, and that something says "these cards were made only to be distributed with Bond Bread" then I don't think we can say definitively that they were solely made for 1 product (though they could have been). I do trust you know as much as anyone about these. For now I consider it a new set that uses cards similiar to Bond Bread cards. Hey, at least they aren't the square cornered ones. That would really make an interesting story, though one that might not be as believable.

[bh3443]

The Tommy Holmes is a truly rare card and a nice card of one of my Dad's heroes from that generation. 'm glad you found something so nice and thanks for sharing them with us.
Regards,
Bill

[Theoldprofessor]

Was anyone else in this discussion raised in Pittsburgh, in the late 40's? I was, and to tell the truth I never heard of Page's Pittsburgh Milk. It's a strange sort of name to give a product that's associated with good health, sort of like advertising Pittsburgh Soap. But even if it made sense to somebody, I'm wondering if it was ever sold in the Pittsburgh area. We had an Otto Milk Company, but Pittsurgh Milk?! Who would drink it?

The larger question, then, is where were these cards distributed? Admittedly I wasn't that old in 1947 (five, to be exact), but I drank lots of milk, and do not remember any such stuff being sold or advertised in our area.

[tedzan]

BOB M

Very interesting...."Page's Pittsburgh Milk Co." is becoming sort of a mystery. I Googled "Page's Milk",
and went thru pages (pardon the pun) and pages; and, could not find even a hint of Page's Milk.

But (as you noted), I found quite a bit on the "Otto Milk Company" in Pittsburgh.

Very, very strange, indeed.

TED Z

[cincicards]

Found this "Page's Dairy, Susquehanna, PA"

http://www.martinworks.com/sdahs/obusiness.html

[Leon]

Thanks for that tidbit. I have found 3-4 references to Page Milk Company. This one talks about the Ohio and Pittsburgh Milk Company but doesn't say "Page"....

http://books.google.com/books?id=8hQ...=en&ei=cdh1Sv-

however, Patti Page looks like she got her stage name from the company. It was never a question, to me, of if these are legit or not. There is no question at all. Plus with the few cards that have been seen, in very different places, gives them a bit more provenance....

http://www.nndb.com/people/205/000045070/

with another reference midway into the first paragraph here....

http://www.rosemaryclooney.com/latimes091088.html

Yes, very interesting indeed.....regards