1949 Page's Pittsburgh Milk Co- new set

[tedzan]

I probably sound like a "kiljoy"......but, these cards are simply recycled 1947 cards originally included in Homogenized Bond Bread loafs.
After Bond Bread stopped inserting these cards in their bread packages in 1948, Page's Milk Co. took over these cards, stamped them,
and made them available as premiums with their milk products.


TED Z

[barrysloate]

You have to spell "killjoy" correctly to sound like one

[Leon]

Originally Posted by tedzan

I probably sound like a "kiljoy"......but, these cards are simply recycled 1947 cards originally included in Homogenized Bond Bread loafs.
After Bond Bread stopped inserting these cards in their bread packages in 1948, Page's Milk Co. took over these cards, stamped them,
and made them available as premiums with their milk products.


TED Z

Ted, with all due respect I know you are very experienced on these but do you really think Homogenized Bread physically mfg'd these cards? I knew they were a D305 type card immediately. I also would respectfully dispute your timeline unless you have evidence. Personally I think these were probably put out in multiple years, probably '48 and '49. Hey, I knew they were recycled but so were many of the other overprint sets....To me they are a new set of cards. BTW, have you seen others of these?

[Rich Klein]

Was exactly the same as Teddy Z's

Rich

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

Was exactly the same as Teddy Z's

Rich

Anyone with a modicum of hobby intelligence knows these are similar to Bond Bread cards. A T206 Honus Wagner is worth a lot of money too....

[Rich Klein]

But in re-reading your post -- my instincts run more towards the NJ based original collector. Think about this -- 4 Baseball Players and 4 Boxers. HMMMM, didn't the original Bond Bread in 47 have a bunch of boxers in them.

I'm not saying these are bad or anything -- just saying --- it's just a different way of issuing that 1947 issue

Regards
Rich

[Bob Lemke]

Nice purchase, Leon, and thanks for sharing with the hobby.

Like many, many other "generic" sets that were appropriated by local/regional advertisers for promotional purposes (M101-4/5, W575-1, W514, 1959 Exhibits, etc.), this qualifies as a "new" set, at least in my way of thinking.

With your permission, I'll pick up your scans and data for the 2011 Standard Catalog. The presence of the promo card explaining the promotion clearly gives the issue legitimacy, but raises the question . . . which of the 48 cards was short-printed to avoid giving away bicycles?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Bob Lemke

Nice purchase, Leon, and thanks for sharing with the hobby.

Like many, many other "generic" sets that were appropriated by local/regional advertisers for promotional purposes (M101-4/5, W575-1, W514, 1959 Exhibits, etc.), this qualifies as a "new" set, at least in my way of thinking.

With your permission, I'll pick up your scans and data for the 2011 Standard Catalog. The presence of the promo card explaining the promotion clearly gives the issue legitimacy, but raises the question . . . which of the 48 cards was short-printed to avoid giving away bicycles?

Hey Bob
You know I will be more than happy to share everything I can about this new set with you. I am one of the open guys that likes to share. If the value goes down because of it, I don't care. I will send you scans of all of the cards in a private email. That way you can have them on file if anyone questions anything. One of the boxers is stamped in black. It makes me wonder if they just ran out of the more brightly colored purple ink or there was some other reason for the change. I have no idea on the "chase" card in the set. Heck, I doubt there are 20 of these cards known in the hobby. However, I am also not naive enough to think these are the only ones. If I had to guess I would say we will find other small groups of them as the hobby matures. kind regards

ps...I think a value of about $5000 each would be warranted (j/k)

[bh3443]

The Tommy Holmes is a truly rare card and a nice card of one of my Dad's heroes from that generation. 'm glad you found something so nice and thanks for sharing them with us.
Regards,
Bill

[Theoldprofessor]

Was anyone else in this discussion raised in Pittsburgh, in the late 40's? I was, and to tell the truth I never heard of Page's Pittsburgh Milk. It's a strange sort of name to give a product that's associated with good health, sort of like advertising Pittsburgh Soap. But even if it made sense to somebody, I'm wondering if it was ever sold in the Pittsburgh area. We had an Otto Milk Company, but Pittsurgh Milk?! Who would drink it?

The larger question, then, is where were these cards distributed? Admittedly I wasn't that old in 1947 (five, to be exact), but I drank lots of milk, and do not remember any such stuff being sold or advertised in our area.

[tedzan]

As you know, I collected the 1947 Bond Bread cards as a kid. They were first available in 1947.
Bond Bread continued to include them in their bread loafs into 1948.

It has not been established where these cards were printed; but, I've always felt that they were
produced by the Harry M. Stevens Co. (NYC). As this company produced all the Team and World
Series yearbooks from the 1920's to 1960's and also printed the Team individual photos available
at the various ballparks in 1946 to 1951. The pictures on the 1947 Bond Bread cards are identical
to the pictures in these publications.

Incidently, several years ago I saw a Page's Milk boxing card (but don't recall who).

TED Z

[Leon]

Originally Posted by tedzan

As you know, I collected the 1947 Bond Bread cards as a kid. They were first available in 1947.
Bond Bread continued to include them in their bread loafs into 1948.

It has never established where these cards were printed......but, I've always felt that they were
produced by the Harry M. Stevens Co. (NYC). As this company produced all the Team and World
Series yearbooks from the 1920's to 1960's and also printed the Team individual photos available
at the various ballparks in 1946 to 1951. The pictures on the 1947 Bond Bread cards are identical
to the pictures in these publications.

Incidently, several years ago I saw a Page's Milk boxing card (don't recall who).

TED Z

Thanks again Ted. So in fact they weren't really Bond Bread cards until Bond Bread got a hold of them. That is why I said, since these probably went from the Harry M Stevens Co (I didn't know that) to Pages Milk, I don't consider them Bond Bread cards. It certainly is debatable. This is the kind of stuff I find most interesting about collecting. It really keeps me going.

Rich- John R is no slouch but I agree, I will take Ole Teddy's info on these and run with it.

thanks guys.....still an exciting "find" for me.....

[Rich Klein]

Rich- John R is no slouch but I agree, I will take Ole Teddy's info on these and run with it.

And Leon; it's all good and really cool -- in a way what it is -- tis another overprint back; except it is from the 1940's instead of Old Put

Rich