T206 PIEDMONT 460 Factory 42 survey......UPDATED

[sreader3]

Ted,

I think it is a statistical fluke that more copies of Latham P42 have surfaced in this survey than the other 460-onlys. All 12 of the "lonely 460-only" subjects are tougher with P42 than the 350/460s are with that back, in my opinion. I believe I saw one Latham P42 on eBay in the five years that I religously tracked T206 auctions (2003-2008).

And where, oh where, is that Tinker (Bat Off)!

Best,

Scot

[Brian Weisner]

Hi Ted,
I made a mistake.... I only have 1 Latham.... As I forgot I sent you one as a gift. Be well Brian


PS I think I have 4 more 42's in my new cards stack, so I'll add them over the weekend.

[tedzan]

BRIAN W

The only 460-only PIEDMONT 460/42 cards that I have are Schaefer and Latham (thanks to you).
I have been trying to acquire the other 10, but cannot find them. Are they really that tough ?

When I started putting together my first T206 set in the early 1980's, I never gave this back any
consideration. You and Art M. have been tracking these P460/42 backs longer than most of us.
Have you ever seen any other 460-only subjects with the P460/42 back besides the 12 that I've
listed here ?

Best regards,

TED Z

[tedzan]

Final call for any additional P460/42 backs on the 5 major stars in the 350/460 series.

Also, final call for Tinker (bat off shoulder) with a P460/42 back.

Furthermore, regarding the "Lonely 12" from the 460-only series....it looks like this dozen
doesn't have a cousin ?

Check-out your T206 collections and you might just be surprised to find a Piedmont 460
Factory 42 that you didn't realize you had.


TED Z

[Mike (18colt)]

Good afternoon, Ted.

I have Young, glove. See scans of front/back below.

Mike (18colt)

[tedzan]

Mike.....thanks for your input. And, a Lajoie was reported from a Net54 reader.

PIEDMONT 460 Factory 42 survey......Updated 8/9/09


Cobb (red portrait).....13

Cobb (bat).................3

Johnson (pitch)...........3

Lajoie (bat)................4

Matty (dark cap).........3

CYoung (glove)...........4


Thanks guys for all your inputs. I know this is a very tough T206 back....but, if we can
get as many as 13 inputs of the Red Cobb portrait with the PIEDMONT 460/42 back.....
then I'm sure we can get some more inputs on these 6 cards.


TED Z

[Brian Weisner]

Hi Ted,
I haven't had a chance to check for more 42's, but I doubt I have any "new" ones...
As far as the 460 only cards go.... I don't know... I picked up my Kleniow about 10 years ago, and my Smith's and Latham's within the last 8 years. Most were part of larger finds with more T205 42's than T206's...

Be well Brian

[tedzan]

Cobb (bat) and Johnson were reported from Net54 readers.

PIEDMONT 460 Factory 42 survey......Updated 8/11/09


Cobb (red portrait).....13

Cobb (bat).................4

Johnson (pitch)...........4

Lajoie (bat)................4

Matty (dark cap).........3

CYoung (glove)...........4


I know this is a very tough T206 back......but, if we can get as many as 13 inputs
of the Red Cobb portrait with the PIEDMONT 460/42 back.....then I'm sure we can
get some more inputs on these 6 cards.


TED Z

[tedzan]

Two new inputs were reported from Net54 readers.....Matty and CYoung


PIEDMONT 460 Factory 42 survey......Updated 8/13/09


Cobb (red portrait).....13

Cobb (bat).................4

Johnson (pitch)...........4

Lajoie (bat)................4

Matty (dark cap).........4

CYoung (glove)...........5


I know this is a very tough T206 back......but, if we can get as many as 13 inputs
of the Red Cobb portrait with the PIEDMONT 460/42 back.....then I'm sure we can
get some more inputs on these 6 cards.


TED Z

[tedzan]

Two new inputs were reported, one from Mac and the other from a Net54 reader.....Matty and Lajoie.


PIEDMONT 460 Factory 42 survey......Updated 8/14/09


Cobb (red portrait).....13

Cobb (bat).................4

Johnson (pitch)...........4

Lajoie (bat)................5

Matty (dark cap).........5

CYoung (glove)...........5


I know this is a very tough T206 back......but, if we can get as many as 13 inputs
of the Red Cobb portrait with the PIEDMONT 460/42 back.....then I'm sure we can
get some more inputs on these 6 cards.


TED Z

[tedzan]

OK guys and gals, here again are the "Lonely 12" in the 460-only Series that've been found with the Piedmont 460,
Factory 42 back.
There are 36 other Subjects in this last series of the T206 issue that have yet to be confirmed with this rare back.

Confirmed Subjects
--------------------
Bergen (catching)
Chase (Trophy)
Devore
Kleinow (Boston)
Latham
Merkle (throwing)
Murray (portrait)
Overall (blue sky)
Schaefer (Washington)
Seymour (portrait)
Smith (Boston & Chicago)
Wiltse (portrait-cap)


One more go around....check out your T206 collections and let's see if we find any more 460-only series cards that
have the Piedmont 460/42 back ?

It's my opinion, that these 12 were the only cards printed by American Litho. with this back in the 460-only series.
So who will be the first of you to prove me wrong ?

Remember, I'm giving out $10 for every new 460-only Subject that is reported here. The list of the unconfirmed 36
cards is found in Post #11 in this thread.


TED Z

[sreader3]

Ted,

Thanks for this research.

I think these "lonely 12" are much scarcer than the 350/460s with Piedmont 42--except Kleinow and Smith who are probably as common with Piedmont 42 as other 350/460 RPs.

I would love to prove you wrong and collect my Alexander Hamilton--but I don't think I will be able.

Scot

[deadballera]

I have a Rucker in the 350/460 fact. 42

[tedzan]

This survey is in its 3rd week and two more new inputs have been reported from Net54 readers......
Cobb (bat) and Lajoie (bat)


PIEDMONT 460 Factory 42 survey......Updated 8/19/09


Cobb (red portrait).....13

Cobb (bat).................5

Johnson (pitch)...........4

Lajoie (bat)................6

Matty (dark cap).........5

CYoung (glove)...........5


I know this is a very tough T206 back....but, if we can get as many as 13 inputs of the Red Cobb
portrait with the PIEDMONT 460/42 back....then I am sure we can get some more inputs on these
5 additional stars.


TED Z

[tedzan]

This survey is in its 4th week and one more new input has been reported from a Net54 reader......
a Matty.



PIEDMONT 460 Factory 42 survey......Updated 8/25/09


Cobb (red portrait).....13

Cobb (bat).................5

Johnson (pitch)...........4

Lajoie (bat)................6

Matty (dark cap).........6

CYoung (glove)...........5


I know this is a very tough T206 back....but, if we can get as many as 13 inputs of the Red Cobb
portrait with the PIEDMONT 460/42 back....then I am sure we can get some more inputs on these
5 additional stars.

Very interesting......so far, these results are confirming what we had expected to see......
that the Red Cobb with the Piedmont 460/42 back is a DOUBLE-PRINT.

We will continue this survey a little longer to see if this is indeed so ?


TED Z

[cfc1909]

Just reread this thread- I too have a Latham

Picked up my Lajoie from Tony and his wife at a Fort Washington show and the Young and M. Brown were some of my first ebay purchases-early 2000 maybe 2002. If memory serves me right the M. Brown was a $125 BIN.