Legendary Auction -- Josh Gibson Toleteros card

[Peter_Spaeth]

I think another reason for the price decline is that Leland's was able to trickle these out over a period of time, so that few people knew the total population.

The interesting question here of course is why, in this day and age, a major auction house would sell a high grade, major card raw.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The interesting question here of course is why, in this day and age, a major auction house would sell a high grade, major card raw.

Gee, like I said, that's a real head-scratcher. Maybe Lelands isn't aware that graded cards sell for more. Or maybe the card would have (or did) grade a 3 on closer inspection.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I wonder how far back in catalogs we would have to go to find a raw $10,000 card that could have been graded?

[Anthony S.]

If only there were some sort of delivery service which could pick up a card and get it to a grading company within, say, 24 hours. And what if grading services offered an, oh i don't know, 2 hour turn-around for a set fee. Ah, but that's just crazy talk. Some day.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Anthony S.

If only there were some sort of delivery service which could pick up a card and get it to a grading company within, say, 24 hours. And what if grading services offered an, oh i don't know, 2 hour turn-around for a set fee. Ah, but that's just crazy talk. Some day.

And someday they may invent a vehicle capable of transporting one from Long Island to suburban NJ and back in the same day.

[slantycouch]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

And someday they may invent a vehicle capable of transporting one from Long Island to suburban NJ and back in the same day.

Let's not get crazy Doc Brown.

[Anthony S.]

My friend just got a greyhound from the SPCA. We could duct-tape the card to his side.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Anthony S.

If only there were some sort of delivery service which could pick up a card and get it to a grading company within, say, 24 hours. And what if grading services offered an, oh i don't know, 2 hour turn-around for a set fee. Ah, but that's just crazy talk. Some day.

Anthony, one day I suspect modern technology will provide for such a miracle. Until then, auction house executives with dozens of years of experience in the hobby will be stuck lamenting their fate that such a beautiful card could not be graded by SGC fast enough. Damn those printers who require 90 days lead time to print a catalog and those damn IT guys that require 60 days lead time to put an auction up online.

[Peter_Spaeth]

The consignor must also be lamenting the unfortunate timing.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The consignor must also be lamenting the unfortunate timing.

Yes, shame that the owner of such an expensive raw card also didn't think it made any sense to get it graded before selling it at auction.

[paul]

I hate to be so dense, but could someone please state what has gone unstated so far?

Is the idea that Leland's somehow didn't have the pull to convince PSA to overlook a subtle hairline crease, but Legendary did? And that Leland's knew the card had a subtle crease, but didn't disclose it?

[turtleguy64]

Peter,the reason a big auction house would not take the trouble to grade a big ticket card is probably due to the philosophy once imparted to me by the infamous Doug Allen: "We didn't grade the better condition cards in your lot because sometimes we get more bidding interest on raw cards." Ah,those old Mastronet days.

[calvindog]

Or if perhaps the big ticket item had glue on the back, got a bad grade, then cracked out and sold raw, then sent to a different grading company which gave it a NM grade.

[Al C.risafulli]

Heh.