Whats the story on grading when there is paper loss?

[BobbyVCP]

From what I have read in the past PSA is much tougher on paper loss then SGC.

[GrayGhost]

I had a Cobb a few years ago, a Caramel card, w fairly nice corners and centering and no creases, but it did have some paper loss on front, and got a PSA 1, which I didnt think it deserved. Their standards are difficult indeed.

[Bamacollection]

I will disagree with PSA being tougher on paper loss. I purchased an M116 sight unseen in a PSA 3. Paper loss was the only thing I didn't expect. SGC will grade paper loss up to a 30/2. Though the seller chose not to mention the paper loss, I still blame PSA for the misrepresentation. The grade goes against all of their self-acclaimed standards. My speculation on the Cobb is that it probably would make it into a 20/1.5 with SGC. Good luck!

[jim]

It is a pretty card to look at. For a Cobb, the grade is sometimes irrelevant, when in less than pristine condition. I would be happy to own this one as it looks so nice. Not a request to purchase by the way. Enjoy the piece.
jim

[Matt]

Originally Posted by BobbyVCP

From what I have read in the past PSA is much tougher on paper loss then SGC.

I believe the opposite to be true.

[cobblove]

But what about the card that I listed from SCPs auction. I brought this up because it graded a 2 and it has more than a small amount of paper loss on the back.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by cobblove

But what about the card that I listed from SCPs auction. I brought this up because it graded a 2 and it has more than a small amount of paper loss on the back.

No way SGC gives that card a 30/2.

[canjond]

I've seen SGC grade a nice card with paperloss a 40.

[Mrc32]

This is one of those things that drives me NUTS about grading.

See below:

a PSA 4



and an SGC 3 (back is centered and clean- no creases)

[barrysloate]

Michael- I believe in the case of the T205 Needham they simply missed the paper loss. I don't think that is an acceptable amount of loss for a VG-EX, but instead just sloppy grading. If the back were clean then it would accurately be a PSA 4.

[iggyman]

Not to bash SGC, since they are an exemplary grading company (of course, that was before the Mastro fiasco), but.................this one is not mine anymore; here is an example of a graded SGC card, receiving a Vg/Ex grade with a tiny bit of paper loss on the back (towards the bottom).






This one is not mine anymore as well, it resides in a SGC 70 holder (a tiny bit of paper loss on the back towards the top and middle).





For the record I prefer SGC, and as Barry mentioned, mistakes happen and in my book PSA has more then its fair share of misgraded cards.

Now, to get back to the original thread, if you send your Cobb card to get graded 100 times. In my opinion, the card will come back as a "ONE" 99 out of 100 times.

Lovely Day...

[Kehfee]

Needham is overgraded in the above case. PSA is wildly inconsistent when it comes to paper loss.

[DICKTOWLE]

I have done dozens of cards with paper loss for customers and dealers- SGC is the tougher on paper loss per my clients, thanksT