Question about T-213's

DixieBaseball · #1 07-11-2009, 12:52 PM

Bob - Tell me about the Victory find... I have not heard about that and was just curious as to when that was, how many, etc.

It is interesting that there have not been any major Red Sun, Kotton, Mino, Coupon, Red Cross finds from someone that strictly smoked those brands, happen to keep the cards, tossed them in a box, and at the very least possibly found, put away again.

I have to believe that there will be something yielded with significance at some point in the future.

Any one up for a Road Trip ?! (I wish I had a week to dedicate to such a venture, as I would go ahead and "troll" as you mentioned the antique shops, area's around the factory, old stores, etc.) Put that one on the to do list, and catch a little minor league ball in the process...

Interesting stuff guys -

Donavon · #2 07-19-2009, 07:04 PM

tbob,

I am in Louisiana and have scoured the state for T213's for about 10 years to no avail except for a lone Type 1 Mathewson which I quickly snagged without quarreling over price. The Mathewson I found came from an antique shop in Kenner, La. which is only about 15 min. from New Orleans. My collection of Coupons has come from various auctions and dealers.....with much difficulty. I believe most of what has been found were sold & moved away long ago. Hope this helps.

Donavon · #3 07-19-2009, 07:13 PM

Bob,

I am in Louisiana and have scoured the state for T213's for about 10 years to no avail except for a lone Type 1 Mathewson which I quickly snagged without quarreling over price. The Mathewson I found came from an antique shop in Kenner, La. which is only about 15 min. from New Orleans. My collection of Coupons has come from various auctions and dealers.....with much difficulty. I believe most of what has been found were sold & moved away long ago.

Jeremy,

Good luck with your venture.....I have been doing this all across the state for 10 years for any of the above mentioned "Louisiana" issues. Other than the one T213 Mathewson & a T213 soft pack (see scan below), I have been able to grab a couple Red Suns out of the state (both boxers) and 4 Tango Eggs issues....all of which were found about 7-8 years ago. With gas prices back up, I just thought I'd warn you before the road trip.

gabrinus · #4 07-19-2009, 09:34 PM

Donavon, I was going to drive down that way a few weeks ago from Arkansas until it hit 100 degrees here. I was not as tempted to drive South when that happened. I may go down in the fall anyway. There is always etouffe' and other attractions in New Orleans.

DixieBaseball · #5 07-20-2009, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Donavon

Jeremy,

Good luck with your venture.....I have been doing this all across the state for 10 years for any of the above mentioned "Louisiana" issues. Other than the one T213 Mathewson & a T213 soft pack (see scan below), I have been able to grab a couple Red Suns out of the state (both boxers) and 4 Tango Eggs issues....all of which were found about 7-8 years ago. With gas prices back up, I just thought I'd warn you before the road trip.

Donavon... Slim pickings, maybe, but that Coupon pack is Incredible ! Do we know if it is from the 1914 era ? Seems kind of wide, but it is the only Coupon pack I have ever seen... Nice !

JJ

canjond · #6 07-20-2009, 07:36 AM

Jeremy,

Coupon packs are extremely scarce. The one pictured above dates to the 1930's so was not actually used in card distribution. I have only seen one original Coupon pack from the correct time period. It belongs to Jim Shaw but is pictured on my website, here:

http://baseballandtobacco.com/t213.htm

DixieBaseball · #7 07-20-2009, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by canjond

Jeremy,

Coupon packs are extremely scarce. The one pictured above dates to the 1930's so was not actually used in card distribution. I have only seen one original Coupon pack from the correct time period. It belongs to Jim Shaw but is pictured on my website, here:

http://baseballandtobacco.com/t213.htm

-- I knew I had seen a skinnier, more colorless pack, and after seeing your scan, it came back to me that I saw that pack on your website ! Thanks for keeping me in line !! (Wished I owned that lone pack!) So I need to add that to my Louisana search when I hit the countryside...

Donavon · #8 07-20-2009, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by canjond

Jeremy,

Coupon packs are extremely scarce. The one pictured above dates to the 1930's so was not actually used in card distribution. I have only seen one original Coupon pack from the correct time period. It belongs to Jim Shaw but is pictured on my website, here:

http://baseballandtobacco.com/t213.htm

Jon,

I was told 1927 according to the tax stamp. Would that be correct?

canjond · #9 07-20-2009, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Donavon

Jon,

I was told 1927 according to the tax stamp. Would that be correct?

It could be. I don't quite recall off the top of my head when cellophane was first used. Note that from 1918 until 1931, tax stamps did not have a �Series of� date printed directly on the stamp, itself. Rather, overprints were sometimes used. As a general rule of thumb, if a cigarette pack does not contain a �Series of� date or overprint, it will, in all likelihood, date from 1918-1931.

Orioles1954 · #10 07-20-2009, 09:27 AM

Last year I picked up a VG-EX T213-1 of Engle for $30 at an antique shop in.......Reno, Nevada! Never know where "mini finds" will happen.

drdduet · #11 07-20-2009, 11:18 AM

Louisiana born and bred here.

The only cards that came out of Katrina's wake were musty smelling 80's and 90's topps, fleer, and donruss.

Over the years I've found hundred's of Coupon's--mainly type II's. I was also party to a Victory find several years ago. A couple of Tango Eggs, some T210's, but mostly T206's. Louisiana issues are TOUGH except for the T213-2's.

Don't bet on any major finds down here as the humidity, heat, and storms have taken the toll on antique paper. I suspect there are more Louisiana issue specimens residing in collections outside Louisiana than there are in attics and closets in Louisiana.

Cut Off, Louisiana (that is, Cut Off as in from the rest of the world)

drdduet · #12 07-20-2009, 11:21 AM

And Ted,

I agree with t213-1 being T206's.

Leon · #13 07-20-2009, 12:50 PM

I have not seen another of these cartons. I think it's close to period...

Donavon · #14 07-20-2009, 05:07 PM

Leon,

Is that carton even remotely tradable or sellable???? PM me.

Leon · #15 07-20-2009, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Donavon

Leon,

Is that carton even remotely tradable or sellable???? PM me.

sorry Donavon....the carton is not for sale.....thanks for the inquiry....

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