Mastro/Legendary Article in Today's NY Daily News

[tbob]

The way things are going this might be a perfect storm for Mike Baker to regain a foothold for his new GAI company in the grading business. I'll guess we'll just have to see how this plays out.
Even though I have regularly used SGC for my card grading, I have to agree with the posters who state that if this story involved Orlando and PSA (instead of Forman and SGC) there would be a storm of outrage.

[Sean_C]

I seriously doubt that will ever happen. Baker won't give up the dream though, even if the company is toast.

Originally Posted by tbob

The way things are going this might be a perfect storm for Mike Baker to regain a foothold for his new GAI company in the grading business. I'll guess we'll just have to see how this plays out.
Even though I have regularly used SGC for my card grading, I have to agree with the posters who state that if this story involved Orlando and PSA (instead of Forman and SGC) there would be a storm of outrage.

[2dueces]

Seeing all that is going on, is this the hobby we all expected it to be? Is this how we thought collecting cardboard would turn out? A childhood passion tainted with everything that goes on. Really is a shame that a few ruin a great passion for everyone else.

[Mrc32]

Originally Posted by 2dueces

Seeing all that is going on, is this the hobby we all expected it to be? Is this how we thought collecting cardboard would turn out? A childhood passion tainted with everything that goes on. Really is a shame that a few ruin a great passion for everyone else.

Go watch Field of Dreams tonight while searching the ebay listings. Everything will be alright.

[HRBAKER]

"And I concur with those who say if these revelations had been made about Joe Orlando, the outrage on this board would be tenfold."

The righteous indignation would be suffocating!

[oldjudge]

Adam--Mastro Auctions didn't lend lots, they loaned money. I think you would lose that case in court.

So far, when discussing Mastro Auctions and Foreman, in my mind at least, there is only one who is clearly wrong--Foreman. Mastro may have done some horrible things, but nothing has been proven. I have more problems with what Legendary has done, based on what has been proven so far, than anything that Mastro Auctions has done.

[Peter_Spaeth]

This is why one must avoid not only conflicts but appearances of conflict.

Naturally, SGC says Dave cannot submit. Some will accept that reassurance, others will be skeptical and demand proof that won't be forthcoming because it is virtually impossible to prove a negative -- at least without access to records of all cards Dave purchased and all that he sold/consigned.

Dave may well have never submitted a card to SGC, directly, through his brother, or anyone else. But since he is the principal of the company, if he were inclined to do so, one imagines he could.

In my opinion, he should have avoided even the appearance of a conflict.

And I concur with those who say if these revelations had been made about Joe Orlando, the outrage on this board would be tenfold.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

This is why one must avoid not only conflicts but appearances of conflict.

Naturally, SGC says Dave cannot submit. Some will accept that reassurance, others will be skeptical and demand proof that won't be forthcoming because it is virtually impossible to prove a negative -- at least without access to records of all cards Dave purchased and all that he sold/consigned.

Dave may well have never submitted a card to SGC, directly, through his brother, or anyone else. But since he is the principal of the company, if he were inclined to do so, one imagines he could.

In my opinion, he should have avoided even the appearance of a conflict.

And I concur with those who say if these revelations had been made about Joe Orlando, the outrage on this board would be tenfold.

Someone who used to work at SGC just posted on another thread in this forum that the graders were extra hard on Dave's submissions.

Dan

[canjond]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Someone who used to work at SGC just posted on another thread in this forum that the graders were extra hard on Dave's submissions.

Dan

I thought SGC already responded to this thread and stated:

"I want to stress the fact that SGC employees and/or owners are not able to submit cards for grading."

So does that mean they can submit cards for grading?

[oldjudge]

"Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive".----Sir Walter Scott