Ebay - Paypal Seller protection? Really?

[Peter_Spaeth]

The store owner is probably by contract authorized to sign for and accept packages by the box owner, which satisfies the signature requirement for the postal service and other delivery companies. I think it will be very uphill to claim the store owner's negligence in not obtaining an internal signature is somehow the proximate cause of the fact that a fraudster was able to take advantage of some loophole in ebay/paypal practices and procedures. Perhaps a more plaintiff-oriented lawyer would have a different view.

[danmckee]

Well Peter, unfortunately I am not a lawyer and am probably the most clueless person on this board about law so you have me at a disadvantage here.

It just seems to me that the package should be signed for all the way to the final destination. If USPS and UPS are going to work together than I think both should have similar rules in place. If you have a PO Box, you are not going to get this insured package without signing for it.

To have UPS sign for it and then just hand it out to whoever wonders in the store claiming to have a box there, or actually having a box there, just seems a little lax to me at that point.

I do however agree that USPS was satisfied once the UPS store signed for the package.

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by danmckee

To have UPS sign for it and then just hand it out to whoever wonders in the store claiming to have a box there, or actually having a box there, just seems a little lax to me at that point.

Well, that's not what I described. I said that every employee at my store knows me, which is a bit different than them handing packages out to "whomever wanders into the store."

I'm pretty sure that if my wife, who never has been in the store, walked in and said she was there to pick up any packages or mail for me, she would be asked to show some ID (or I would get a phone call to verify).

[danmckee]

I understand Rob and that is great that they know you and do that for you. But besides you being an honest guy, what is to stop you from going in days after and stating you never received the package? The poor schmuck who shipped it paid for signature confirmation of delivery and here you could have it with no proof of delivery. That is the point I am trying to make. Dan.

[martyogelvie]

FWIW
I apologize in advance if this has already been noted on the boards but eBay is planning on rolling out a new Protection Policy/standard. I have only seen the logo and am not familiar with what will take place but they are aware of the issues and are taking steps to improve them..

[danmckee]

That is actually a hopeful sign Marty but in the meantime, how many more of us need to take $5500 hits before ebay and paypal realize how ridiculous their seller protection is?

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by martyogelvie

FWIW
I apologize in advance if this has already been noted on the boards but eBay is planning on rolling out a new Protection Policy/standard. I have only seen the logo and am not familiar with what will take place but they are aware of the issues and are taking steps to improve them..

Can't wait to see what the "catch" is.

[GrayGhost]

I have scaled back on selling on ebay, partly due to material and partly due to this stupid paypal policy. When I buy, I ask in advance if they will take Money order, as my paypal acct often is too low, etc.

I need the money in "cash or check" form, rather than in paypal, where I have to wait to take it out, for it to be there and transfer, etc. I understand bout faster shipping, and all, but I like MO preferably. I have only had one bad experience on ebay, w someone who said they never got my item, tho they had left a positive feedback a week before t hey complained, and I still lost, because I didnt bother keeping a receipt.

Paypal has their advantages, but buyer protection and ebay new policy. It should be interesting indeed.

[Ladder7]

A lot of good advice here... Better than my sniper rifle scheme. Be diligent and keep us posted.

[Wite3]

Well...a little more quick research...first...in order to rent a mailbox at the UPS store the person needs to have two valid forms of id, one of which is a photo id. The store is supposed to keep these on file (I called customer service on this one). I would get the San Fernando Police department back involved. I would also put in a call to UPS corporate and put a little pressure on. I know that mail fraud is not their highest priority in SFPD but this could have been handled a bit better.

Also, the UPS store should have his phone number. They routinely call people in to pick up packages. The SFPD could just wait for him.

Joshua

[Wite3]

And more...Apparently Shaunt is a true criminal...there are several fictitious business complaints against him as well in several local papers including Glendale, Beverly Hills, and San Fernando. Might want to bring this to the police's attention as well.

Joshua

[danmckee]

Great info and thanks! The police told my friend that there was no crime committed so it is out of their hands. They told him it is a civil issue. I told him to call back and get another PI. This is an obvious crime to me.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by danmckee

Great info and thanks! The police told my friend that there was no crime committed so it is out of their hands. They told him it is a civil issue. I told him to call back and get another PI. This is an obvious crime to me.

That's a pretty huge loophole for ambitious criminals if that's NOT a crime.

[danmckee]

I agree, that is a ridiculous response. This is blatant theft and fraud and for any law enforcement to turn a cheek to this is just sickening.

[danmckee]

Same exact thing that happened to my buddy!! American Express is a CANCER of a Credit Card company!!

http://www.ripoffreport.com/Credit-C...-ame-3fdw2.htm