Mastro consignors not paid yet?

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Leon

I was trying to embellish as much as Jeff did but couldn't quite get to that level. *I never defended Mastro, as Jeff stated, I only said they didn't rise to the Madoff level. You and/or Jeff can continue arguing. I am done.

Leon...you've got a blind spot, a tin ear when it comes to your friends at Mastro/Legendary. Try to be objective. You've even previously said that if you found out they ripped you off you wouldn't be mad as long as you were not singled out for fraud. That kind of sounds insane, no?

[Leon]

Where did your D322 Wagner come from, you know the one that was over 25k?

To your question.....Yes, if I was not personally targeted then I would be less upset, but still upset, at being shilled. I am sure that is a very difficult point for you to comprehend though. Maybe you need to take a deep breath sometime....You are turning kind of blue.


If a person you knew, came into your home and stole something from you, would you be as upset with a stranger as you would be with them?


take care

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Leon

Where did your D322 Wagner come from, you know the one that was over 25k?

To your question.....Yes, if I was not personally targeted then I would be less upset, but still upset, at being shilled. I am sure that is a very difficult point for you to comprehend though. Maybe you need to take a deep breath sometime....You are turning kind of blue.


If a person you knew, came into your home and stole something from you, would you be as upset with a stranger as you would be with them?


take care

Leon, if I only bid in auctions in which I was sure I wasn't getting defrauded, I wouldn't be buying many cards. As such, I would only buy a card from Mastro if I felt comfortable that the price was fair. Regarding the Tip Top Wagner, I got it for 17K less than the final "price" in Goodwin's auction a year or so ago. Finally, your bringing up the card I bought from Mastro is akin to blaming the victim for a crime. No one deserves to be defrauded, period.

Finally, I would be more upset if a trusted friend ripped me off than if a stranger did. I think many people feel this way -- including Bernie Madoff's childhood friends. I suspect you, Doug and Bill probably differ with the rest of us on this one.

[Leon]

That has to be your worst defense of one of your positions ever on this board. I will rest my case if that's all ya' got.

[calvindog]

Whatever you say, Leon, whatever you say.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Jeff's post illustrates why it is so difficult to control shill bidding, card alteration, etc. -- if they have a card we want, we look the other way and rationalize.

[HRBAKER]

"I know this crack is bad for you, but I can quit anytime I want, really."

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Jeff's post illustrates why it is so difficult to control shill bidding, card alteration, etc. -- if they have a card we want, we look the other way and rationalize.

Yes, it's all my fault. If only I had stopped bidding on Mastro auctions they would have stopped shill bidding and other frauds. Perhaps I should be indicted too as a co-conspirator?