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06-26-2009, 10:27 AM
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anyone see the brand new GAI?
Take a look at these... some of the first products produced by the brand new GAI.
Now the grading business is owned by Mike Baker (formerly of PSA)... CERT number listed on back switch from black background to clear www.globalauth.com 
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06-26-2009, 11:07 AM
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Ugh.
GAI's holders were my favorite- black mattes like SGC's, thin as PSA's, and the info on the top edge of the flip. These look like Becketts, which I can't stand. A big step backwards for a really good guy.
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#3
06-26-2009, 11:15 AM
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That actually present really well in person.
The labeling still exists on the top of the flip and the case itself is still the same thin PSA like case.
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#4
06-26-2009, 11:22 AM
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gai
i felt like Anthony initially---even felt llike the black and white top reminded me a wee bit
of some of the 'home made' attempts by folks in times past. i'll make up my mind after seeing one in person. i do wish Mike the best. barry
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#5
06-26-2009, 11:30 AM
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I think I will pass. I wasn't around when Mike Baker was big so I have no opinion on him.
I don't like these slabs. The one thing I had always liked about the GAI slab was the info on top. Also why the hell would you put trimmed on these flips. I know hardly anything about old Judges but even I know they are trimmed, it would be nice to state it though so people know why they are just authentic. Then again I have this problem with all the compaines :-) I like the black insert and honestly does he really think he can work his way back up the latter to make a viable business. I think he would have been better off going to one of the other companies then to continue to try and keep a sinking ship a float. Really what do they offer that I am not already getting from one of the other companies right now?? James g Last edited by JamesGallo; 06-26-2009 at 11:33 AM.
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06-26-2009, 12:29 PM
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I guess time will tell... maybe we'll get some consistency from someone?
There is one value add, he'll encapsulate SKINNED and REBACKED cards as AUTHENTIC. Neither SGC or PSA will do that. As far as I'm concerned I have TONS of SKINNED Old Judges, I'm happy to have someone encapsulate them for protection.
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#7
06-26-2009, 12:48 PM
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They'll encapsulate skinned and re-backed Old Judges as Authentic. Is there any mention of the fact that they've been skinned or re-backed on the flip? I'd be less than psyched to buy an authentic Old Judge and then find out upon receipt of the card that it was skinned.
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#8
06-26-2009, 12:50 PM
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Will they slab a rebacked OJ and call it Authentic? I know SGC won't.
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06-26-2009, 01:39 PM
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Barry... yes, I just received a large group of OJs back from GAI today, many were skinned or rebacked and all are slabbed as Authentic. Exactly what I wanted since PSA and SGC won't slab them. Skinned or Rebacked... they are still REAL OJs, just altered, and I wanted them in slabs to protect them.
Their name did change slightly for the card grading business since thats what Mike took over... its Global Authority instead of Global Authentication. Plus Mike is top notch when it comes to customer service. Look at this card... Both PSA and SGC wouldn't touch it... i tried... Now its in a slab and protected from any further damage. 
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06-26-2009, 01:40 PM
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Anthony... if it wasn't either skinned or rebacked... shouldn't it be getting a number grade in most cases?
Look at SGC... they give every OJ a number grade no matter how bad the card is unless its trimmed. But they don't tell you its trimmed either.
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#12
06-26-2009, 02:18 PM
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No Barry,
They'll grade a rebacked OJ as a 2 and then tell you to send it back and then give it a authentic grade, but not refund you the money they said they were going to. Rob
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#13
06-26-2009, 02:22 PM
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Rob,
They are under brand new ownership, Mike Baker, who was the very first employee of PSA. He designed the original PSA 1 - 10 scale when PSA first opened. I think the older days and practices of GAI are over now. This new ownership has great plans. Eric
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06-26-2009, 02:27 PM
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Eric,
Mike Baker is the very person who emailed me and promised me he "would do the right thing" and told me in person at the national that I would receive me money by the end of last summer. How many lessons do people have to learn with GAI and why would anyone use this service? Rob
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06-26-2009, 04:04 PM
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wrong
Mike Baker was not at PSA when it opened. He did not grade the Wagner which was the first card they graded, Bill Hughes did. Nor did Mike invent the 1-10 scale.
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#16
06-26-2009, 04:53 PM
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He wasn't there when it opened?
He was employed by their Coin Grading Services (PCGS) prior and was brought over to help start the card grading department. At least thats whats documented in many places on the web. He's also credited with the grading of many of the PSA Wagners over time. REGARDLESS, I'm not here to support him... I was bringing GAI and its new ownership to the public. I do see value add as they are willing to authenticate and encapsulate cards that others wont - skinned cards being an example. So what if they have a backing peeled off... they are still real right? PSA and SGC won't encapsulte these... I believe that they should be able to. GAI will.
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06-26-2009, 04:57 PM
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My understanding is that he was hired relatively early in PSA's life but not at the inception.
Surely there cannot be enough revenues in grading skinned Old Judges to sustain a company even if it is only Mike. And with due respect to his abilities as a grader, I cannot imagine why anyone would submit a legitimate card to him at this time, given the track record at GAI.
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#18
06-26-2009, 05:14 PM
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Peter.... Yes I agree that he can't survive on the one example I gave... it was simply an example to show that there are services that need to be provided.
I'm actually hoping that somehow by having others do it, possibly PSA or SGC will adopt some of the practices. PSA is my personal choice and all my collection is PSA graded. I love the look of slabbed cards and the protection and labeling, thus this is my only choice for my 300+ skinned/severely trimmed OJs etc....
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06-26-2009, 05:15 PM
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Understood it was just an example, but it may be a unique one -- there really is not much of a gap left to fill in my opinion.
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06-26-2009, 05:20 PM
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Peter...
An advantage they'll have to PSA is customer service... SGC will always be the best though for customer service. In terms of fees, some hate joining PSA and/or paying their fees. No membership and $6 a card for GAI may appeal to a bunch.
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#21
06-26-2009, 07:29 PM
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They should change how their flip looks. It looks like the home made grading companies, doesn't look to professional in my opinion. Maybe I should give Mike a call and offer a new design for free. Their flip looks like it was made in Microsoft Paint.
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#23
06-26-2009, 07:40 PM
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flip
Here's a flip with three lines of writing...
I sent multiple Germany Smith cards & this one came back with the pose.... 
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#25
06-26-2009, 07:56 PM
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Most of the people here prefer SGC... SGC has some of the worst printing I've seen on flips... often slanted, often touching into the bottom green part of the flip.
I'm not defending GAI in this case, but for some reason it seems as though printing on flips is a common problem among all the grading companies.
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#26
06-26-2009, 08:24 PM
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Help GAI - terrible slab let them know
If this guy wants to stay in business I hope he reads this thread. People here are trying to help him out. He needs to differentiate himself with the slab. Those slabs are terrible and look home made. They better change the look of that before its too late and too many get out there.
SGC has the best slab by far. Its a shame their cards don't sell as well as PSA. PSA just has too much first mover and market leader advantage. I have a feeling that will change someday and the premium paid for vintage cards will reverse to SGCs advantage but its at least 5+ years away. Aside, I do agree with the chap who gets roasted here for being too into PSAs financial reports. They are closer and closer to diluting their brand on a daily basis. Lets pray that SGC keeps its ethics and quality standards as they, in my opinion, inevitably become the leader in grading both in quantity graded and prices paid for aftermarket prices for VINTAGE cards, prewar. They will never make strides in postwar cards. Its going to be tough for them to walk the tightrope of respected niche player to mass market leader. I hope they succeed. Sorry to hijack this thread to an SGC post but I got off on a rant and don't want to lose all I typed now. Last edited by daviddbreadman; 06-26-2009 at 08:30 PM.
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06-27-2009, 01:34 PM
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Just want to clarify that BVG has graded and will continue to grade these cards for over a decade. They would go into "Authentic-Altered" holders.
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06-27-2009, 11:48 PM
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It looks like a step backwards. As mentioned previously, the lack of a black matte reduces the eye appeal. I do however like the way GAI placed the labels on the top edge of the card. I'm assuming that hasn't changed. If GAI were smart they would provide a service that PSA or SGC hasn't. They would create the ALT identifier. ALT would indicate ALTERED. That way they could get away with slabbing rebacked OJs and not have to worry about people stating that they are doing something that SGC and PSA wouldn't do (slab rebacked OJs with the AUTH identifier).
I hope one of those grading companies figures this out and creates this new categorey.
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06-29-2009, 08:03 AM
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To reiterate... BVG distinguishes between "Authentic" and "Altered". "Authentic" indicates an untampered original card that is usually not assigned a numerical grade at the submitter's request, whereas an "Authentic-Altered" grade indicates a card that is real, but somehow doctored.
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#33
06-29-2009, 02:53 PM
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Flips
I also like the flips ok.
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07-01-2009, 10:00 AM
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My understanding is the new Global Authority continues to have pack grading. While this isn't a new grade (it is GAIs old label), does anyone know who grades this stuff?
http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-19-Sweet-Ca...3A1%7C294%3A50 While dating cigarette packs can be difficult at times, it's pretty obvious that a Sweet Caporal soft pack in celophane cannot possibly date from 1909-1919. How did GAI even come up with this date range? A single tax stamp wasn't even used during this date range!
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#35
07-01-2009, 12:16 PM
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