1910 Phil A's team premium? Help please

FrankWakefield · #1 06-25-2009, 06:47 PM

I've not heard of a Burke & Atwell Supplement...

I still think it is an M113 from Baseball Magazine, notwithstanding what is opined above or by Hunt.

I don't have faith in the 1913 SCD date, nor the 1910 date mentioned above. I understand that it has a copyright date of 1910 on it... seems to me that they may well have gone out the following year.

Dating these is an odd process. Mr. Haber and others were of the opinion that some Baseball Magazine premiums that were listed in the ads weren't available when initially availabe; and that some weren't ever available even though they were advertised. Generally, SCD has done well with their list and their dating.

As for Hunt's price, that seems realistic for one in good shape. Hunt mentions that their offering is marked Burke & Atwell, but they don't refer to it as a "Burke & Atwell Supplement". Hunt mentions dimensions of 12" x 20". I think this is an M113.

Matt · #2 06-25-2009, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by FrankWakefield

I still think it is an M113 from Baseball Magazine, notwithstanding what is opined above or by Hunt.

Isn't that just semantics? M113 is a catalog designation - whether this was or wasn't included in the M113 umbrella doesn't matter much - I think the consensus is that it's a Baseball Magazine supplement.

FrankWakefield · #3 06-25-2009, 07:03 PM

No Sir, it is not semantics. Semantics is the study of meaning.

I've never heard of a Burke & Atwell Supplement. I do not think it is a Burke & Atwell Supplement. I think it is an M113 Baseball Magazine supplement. If you see everyone agreeing on that I don't. I see up there where it is too big, and where it's a Burke & Atwell Supplement.

If you are agreeing with me that it's an M113 Baseball Magazine supplement, then we're in agreement. I agree with folks that think it is unduly big. M113s are quite big. The team photos are of varying sizes. This one may will be the biggest of the team photos; nay biggest of all.

smokelessjoe · #4 06-25-2009, 07:06 PM

Here is another in the Hunt Auction

http://www.huntauctions.com/online/i...=324&lot_qual=

one more:

https://www.huntauctions.com/online/...m=85&lot_qual=

perezfan · #5 06-25-2009, 07:09 PM

Semantics....

To be precise it is a Baseball Magazine Supplement, taken by renowned photography studio Burke & Atwell. Mastro sold one or two of these for around $1,100 in nice condition, back in their heyday (but I cannot find them anywhere in the Legendary archives).

FWIW, the visible portion of mine measures 13.75" X 22.5", but more of it is tucked behind the frame. Hunt's description likely covers only the visible portion, of which a greater portion was matted out.

smokelessjoe · #6 06-25-2009, 07:30 PM

I really like this one...

https://www.huntauctions.com/online/...=308&lot_qual=

Rob D. · #7 06-25-2009, 07:38 PM

These are the images that Shawn it posting links to. Seems like there are more than a few Burke & Atwell items out there.

Thanks, Shawn. More good info.

smokelessjoe · #8 06-25-2009, 07:46 PM

Thank you Rob for taking the time to actually post them... I am suppose to be putting tile down in the bath-room so I am kinda crunched for time.
Thanks again,

Here is one more from REA:

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/...2008/1134.html

Rob D. · #9 06-25-2009, 07:50 PM

Thanks for taking the time to do the leg work, Shawn.

smokelessjoe · #10 06-25-2009, 07:57 PM

Man, these guys were good....