Ryan Stout- BSTNGUY5

[Wesley]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

In fairness to Leon, we've had several threads about people selling cards that they don't actually have in their possession. While it isn't fraud, it is certainly frowned upon on this board. It can only lead to trouble.

In this case, it looks like Ryan paid for the items and the cards were en route.

[barrysloate]

Before you sell anything you should have the merchandise in hand. What if the cards got lost en route? Like I said, you are only asking for trouble.

How many times have we seen a card that sold in a major auction in the wee hours of Sunday morning listed on ebay that Sunday night? Why not wait until you get them, then you can sell them five minutes later if you choose.

[Wesley]

Barry, I didn't know this was frounded upon. I am not in the card business like you are, so I will take your word. Wes

[barrysloate]

Wes- you pay for an item using paypal so that you can receive it in a timely manner. The seller thinks the lot he won from the auction house is on its way, but they are running at least a couple of weeks behind. The seller has your money but not a clue when he will get your cards. Couldn't think of a better way for buyer and seller to end up in an argument.

[Leon]

I just had a long talk with Ryan. I feel horrible about this but we both feel that, with the CU thread not being updated, this one should stay. I told him I have a personal policy about NOT deleting threads UNLESS there is an extraordinary situation. I consider this one of those......but we both agree that at this point this thread can do more good than bad......I am in contact with Felicia through emails and am trying to explain it to her too....Mistakes will happen and this was one...but it was also rectified as quick as humanly possible..I guess this is what happens when there is so much fraud that goes on....I was trying to protect our board. For someone to say that this will have a long term bad effect on Ryan's reputation is a gross misstatement imo.......regards

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Wesley

In this case, it looks like Ryan paid for the items and the cards were en route.

Actually Ryan paid for the card but it was enroute to someone else, from the person he bought it from. This was NOT Ryan's error.....The card had been sold already AFTER he bought and paid for it..... (at least I am pretty sure that is what happened, from what I now know)

[Tcards-Please]

Leon,

Did he win/pay for the item before he made the agreement with Felicia or was the agreement made beforehand?

It really doesn't matter I guess, but the bottom line is he didn't have the card when he made the agreement with Felicia.

r/
Frank

[daviddbreadman]

Glad the title of the opening message has been fixed. That is where I felt bad for this guy.

[Matt]

Leon - thanks for taking the time to get to the bottom of this. In this hobby, always good to err on the side of safety.

[Leon]

I do think he made a minor mistake on selling the card before he had it in hand BUT he had been told it was his.....so yes, that was a minor mistake.....but the person that sold it out from under him made the bigger mistake, so it seems....

[Tcards-Please]

Originally Posted by Leon

I do think he made a minor mistake on selling the card before he had it in hand BUT he had been told it was his.....so yes, that was a minor mistake.....but the person that sold it out from under him made the bigger mistake, so it seems....

Well then he has some responsibility for this. If he had waited to get the card beforehand, we wouldn't be discussing this at all.

Fortunately I have had flawless transactions with folks from this board, this should be a lesson to those that flip without having it in hand.

r
Frank

[Bill Stone]

Confucius said : A man who has committed a mistake and doesn't correct it is committing another mistake. Leon you have handled this situation perfectly.

[batsballsbases]

I think we should give Ryan one of the Banner Ads for a month Just a thought

[DJR]

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