SCD & Coach's Corner

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Originally Posted by ibuysportsephemera

. If someone believes that a game used autographed bat from Babe Ruth should only sell for a few hundred dollars, who is at fault?

Sorry, it was this line that really bothered me.

Gullibility, blind trust and lack of knowledge are not crimes. Granted, people who believe that they can buy a bridge in Brooklyn should perhaps be doing something else with their time. They do, however, deserve full refunds and to see justice done.

[ibuysportsephemera]

Please do not misunderstand me...I do not think that anyone should be allowed to sell fake items. I was simply responding to Mike The Ring Guys post about a class action suit. As consumers and collectors, we should always use common sense, check provenance and do our due diligence when making any kind of purchases (especially on-line). As I stated previously, if it doesn't "smell" good then you should pass. But, most collectors and dealers that I know are always looking for a good deal, that is just human nature (IMO).

[sports-rings]

I was hoping a class action suit could be a way to get these guys out of business.

Yes, some people by good stuff from CC, and some are even thinking of ways to flip the bad stuff and I guess they too are guilty, but I was hoping this could be a way of stopping CC since the FBI may not ever be able to stop them.

They may have set up the perfect crime. If it's an inside job and no one talks and they don't talk to outsiders who come along can the FBI ever stop them?

[smtjoy]

I'm sorry but the buyer is no way at fault, possibily guillable, newbie, stupid, etc but not at fault. CC advertises the items as real and even provides COA's that claim they are, CC is clearly breaking the law, along with Morales, etc and one day they will pay. The facts are 99% of the autos are fake, sell for pennys on the dollar of what they would be worth and are pretty much a joke to the real experts in the field.

As far as suiing them and getting 20,000,000 not going to happen, I would be surprised if they even have a 250,000 dollars in the company. They well know what they are doing and the laws they are breaking and its my guess that money goes byebye as soon as they get it. I would bet the owners are already prepared for the day they get busted.

I sure hope the day comes where the FBI can link them with a forger and take the whole thing down.

[ibuysportsephemera]

Originally Posted by smtjoy

CC advertises the items as real and even provides COA's that claim they are, CC is clearly breaking the law,

This is wrong and illegal and let me be clear that I am in no way condoning this or defending CC.

Jeff

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Scott's speculation that the profits disappear in short order could very well be true. Oddly, throughout history, it seems as though nearly all forgers in every field have been perpetually short on funds. Their Achilles heels have mainly been in living the fast life--booze, drugs, gambling. There is no explanation as to why this is has been the case in so many instances. Mark Hoffmann, one of the most financially successful (and dare I say "gifted"?) forgers got rich with his works of deceit. Unlike your usual forger m.o., the main reasons for his behavior stem from a giant, insatiable ego and sheer revenge (which is one of many areas in which his case is rather unique).